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what is up everybody

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um it is

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wednesday the 15th

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and this week is just flying by and i

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can't wait um until friday i mean friday

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is coming up before we know it that's a

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big nuap secrecy day um which will

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be a bit of a celebration considering um

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the amenity got passed today uh with uh

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gila brands gillibrand's um

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original language and everything so that

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is fantastic

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so we have a ufo

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group now isn't that something

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um i told my wife in the car

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and she you know she didn't really care

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so much but i still told her and i was

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excited so

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and i hope you guys are too because a

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lot of the reason that that has happened

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is because of

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you know the effort that people put into

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this stuff and ending uap secrecy and i

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believe it's things like um you know

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making phone calls or even just being

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active on twitter and doing shows and

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showing that you care

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um that really helps you know i'm in

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this age of the internet

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and information um things can travel so

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fast and you know as long as we do our

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part make ourselves known that we want

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to end the uf uap secrecy for whatever

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reason you may have

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um as long as we do that good things

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will come um so today is a good day

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let's celebrate that day before we

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analyze it too much

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because we'll have plenty of time to do

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that um and before we start

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i'm gonna do

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a little video and we'll get going

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[Music]

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all right so let's get this rocking

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first guy i'll bring in is the

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right hand man

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how you doing jay

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i'm doing great i'm so happy to be here

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on such a

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yeah right

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feels weird and

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wow you know and not only that we had we

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had the good fortune of booking an

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extraordinarily

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and uh brilliant guest today so pretty

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psyched about that we have a guest today

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i didn't know that

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yeah amazing right

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i got a i got a i got a hot bio for this

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guy if you'd like me to read it as we

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bring this guy on

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i'm a little temperature sensitive but

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go ahead we'll see how it

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okay so we got

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bob mcguire is the founder and technical

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advisor for hawkeye 360. a satellite and

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data analytics company he's also the

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co-founder of federated wireless

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previously dr mcguire was director of

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research for the ted and karen hume

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center for national security and

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technology and research professor in the

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bradley department of electrical and

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virginia tech he led the overall

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execution of the center's research

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mission and led the university's program

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development efforts in national security

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applications of wireless and space

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his area of expertise is in radio

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frequency communications and digital

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signal processing

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before joining virginia tech dr mcguire

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spent 26 years as a member of the

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technical staff at the institute for

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defense analyses center for

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communications research in princeton new

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jersey where he worked on advanced

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research topics in mathematics and

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his work on behalf of the federal

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government has won a many awards

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including one of the intelligence

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community's highest honors in 2002.

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bob's also an avid amateur radio

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operator and has previously served as vp

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of engineering for the amateur radio

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satellite corporation as well as a

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member of its board of directors

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he received his phd and applied

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mathematics from brown university in

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1988.

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bob it's a real pleasure to have you

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here on such a historic day for the

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field it's a great day now we just need

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to make sure that joe biden doesn't have

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is i'm a member of the board

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of ardc

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which is ardc.net and this is a very

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from which we do grants to people doing

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communications digital communications

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etc and our goal is to utterly transform

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amateur radio all over the world we've

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made grants all around the world already

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we made we did we've done 10 million

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dollars in grants this year so far and

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we have uh we'll be doing this work for

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the foreseeable future because the 10

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million doesn't touch the principal it's

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very very happy to be involved with this

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when you're talking radio um

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what kind of radio are you are we

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talking like radio stations radio

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science radio engineering we're trying

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now enabled by a large fund by amateur

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radio operators and others who don't get

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funded by the government so

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or or even the national science

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foundation so we think we think we can

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have an impact

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that's awesome well you're

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like i was just listening to j list off

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all the different things that you do i'm

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like how do you even have time to do

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the nice thing about finding a hawkeye

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at the end i had become the chief

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as a as director of research i found out

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there was not enough of me or enough of

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others so i enticed

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uh smart people uh into coming in and

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founding laboratories inside the hume

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center so we founded three laboratories

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research because they were superstars so

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chief scientist which i held for four

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years before i retired and so i retired

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i'm now adjunct i'm going to go back and

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work on some uh projects develop

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instruments but i'm not going to be full

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want to work on and that's a good thing

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so what do you plan on doing with all

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so i'm doing all sorts of interesting

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tess which is spacecraft and kepler

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our neighborhood and beyond trying to

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find the their light dimming for a

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reason and the reason is exoplanets so

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the test finds thousands of candidates

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observatories in the world to handle all

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they they provide the verification that

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what they found is real by uh providing

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observation of these stars and trying to

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big telescope and find out all sorts of

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atmosphere around and all sorts of stuff

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about exoplanets it really makes you

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one one thing other thing i'm going to

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getting a little down and dirty

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what are you thinking is going to happen

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with this amendment um no it's not going

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be it really

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enacted till next year is that right

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look this funds the activities from last

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the ndaa funds the activities from last

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all of a sudden they will be enabled now

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views will be taken into account and

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some role will be taken on by the

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the part the the office in the

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department of defense that christopher

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uh but he was an under secretary so

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uh for intelligence for example so that

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office will have a role but the dni also

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has a role and the nice thing

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that's in there that they managed to

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the people involved with these

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have to go before congress testify under

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oath and a public unclassified report

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must be produced uh regularly i think

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it's every six months but i'm don't hold

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me to that but it's it's multiple times

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a year we get a public report

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that's number one and number two

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go look at the

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the language that demands they tell us

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about artifacts

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that's the cat opener that opens roswell

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wide open now i don't know how far that

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will go or whether there will be a

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mechanism just to stymie it and stifle

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it but this is

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go back in history don't only look

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forward from 2004 they've got to go give

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us historical evidence they have about

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artifacts now given what we've seen

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about the attempts at secrecy by any

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means necessary from the 1940s on

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uh i got to tell you i can't wait to

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find out what we actually have

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yeah and reverse engineers in there the

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one thing that didn't get in there that

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was changed in the last few days was the

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citizen science panel right was

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no you figured that was that might have

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been to do with clearances is that right

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do you think that that may have happened

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pure crap is the original language said

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the only people they could pick were

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those who could get clearances

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so that was a that was a ruse

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they didn't want this bill to pass at

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all but what they got was a little

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clawback so these quote crazy

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independent scientists won't talk out of

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school even even though they were

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going to be required to have a security

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clearance to be engaged

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[Music]

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i got

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we go on back decades ago when you when

295
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you got into all this everything in here

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right

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um did you ever think you'd see that

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this day like

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did you ever think you'd see this

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happening and then b

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what do you think are the potential

302
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negatives or downsides of this happening

303
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in this office in general are there any

304
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okay so uh um

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good question so i never i never thought

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we would get here so when when i started

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getting interested after i kept hearing

308
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these rumors and seeing some evidence

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inside the government and i reached out

310
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and became a member of the richard dolan

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forum and quickly got

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known and active and noticed and so

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forth and then watch him interview

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christopher bledsoe and then go to chris

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bledsoe's house and stay for a few days

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and

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literally have my life changed forever

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i never thought we would but i knew that

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we needed better instruments so i tried

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to get an activity going which is uh

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with uaptn and skyhub and all of that

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has now gone on and morphed into sky 60

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which is

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based in uh europe but it's good it's

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international so uh it's gonna be the

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but the active look

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the i wrote out a list of the sensors i

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thought we needed inside of a system

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that would have video uh ir

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uh uh gravity gravity accelerometers all

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sorts of instruments so that we could

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see all sorts of the ambient things that

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were going on in and around these

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sightings of ufos and i still think

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that's going to go on because i think

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citizen scientists can help and so i've

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i've recently taken a trip and gone a

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place where i'd like to put one of those

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things and we can discuss it later so so

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that's that's question number one is i

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started doing stuff that i thought would

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help and it turns out that the

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government is going to start doing

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things

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that have never been done before and let

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me give you the most concrete example

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because i'm sure that others wrote but i

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wrote this white paper and sent it in to

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people

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and and i don't i don't know whether mom

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was the only voice i'm sure i'm not the

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only voice but

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that overall voice was heard they're

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gonna take all of the exquisite

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unbelievable

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capabilities beyond imagining sensors

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that are operated by the united states

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government and force them to fuse the

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information together to to find out

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things about uaps and that has never

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been done before by any entity

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that i am aware of so this entity is the

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first

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multi-sensor fusion entity in the

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government i've been trying to get them

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to fuse sensors using the the

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capabilities that we've had for

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at least a decade and even enhanced now

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that machine learning has come on so far

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that will allow us to do all sorts of

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stuff and now they're forcing it in this

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bill therefore multi-sensor fusion so if

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a if a ir satellite sees a fast walker

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come in and they track it down over say

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oh

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the west coast of the united states and

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it hits the pacific ocean now the people

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who run the microphones and other things

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under the water and the buoys and so

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forth they'll all be required to share

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their data in an in an interesting way

382
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that

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has never been done before in a thing

384
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that was made going to be made available

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in a public report

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it's just amazing do you think this

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process could also help in possibly

388
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other areas let's say could it be

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beneficial for

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a wartime scenario as well

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so

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part of uap

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and they have said it and it is a huge

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deal

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is

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bad guys are flying drones all around

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our stuff right i mean they are i mean

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they're they're even dropping bombs from

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these little inexpensive drones over our

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troops in

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around the world so

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that is a thing they definitely care

403
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about so that was a

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part off and a major part of the

405
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motivation behind this bill we got to

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stop hiding our head in the sand these

407
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bad guys and individuals terrorists and

408
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governments are using drones and we got

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to figure out how to keep them from

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interfering with the operation of our

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exquisite military that's out there

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doing the job

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that our government has decided they

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need to do under the civilian leadership

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of the president united states so drones

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are a big deal but we also know that the

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operations of nuclear missiles uh

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nuclear aircraft carriers nuclear

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submarines and other other things have

420
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been other controlled airspace and

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controlled

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water space etc all of those have been

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uh

424
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upon it is probably a better word but

425
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not an invasion but encroached upon by

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uap and usos and those things need to be

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understood because we've had detailed

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multiple

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instances of the uss teddy roosevelt in

430
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the middle uh 2010s

431
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of uh them seeing these things interfere

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with

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aircraft navigation and operations every

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day for hundreds of days and they're

435
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gonna ignore it no though congress has

436
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said you're not ignoring this anymore

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you're gonna look and you're gonna tell

438
00:19:30,710 --> 00:19:28,960
us about it yeah especially when you

439
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you know i can't get out my head out of

440
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the well i'm out of the 40s and 50s now

441
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i'm in the 60s but it's it's just

442
00:19:39,830 --> 00:19:37,360
incredible how long this has been going

443
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on too uh a lot of people you know on

444
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the outside just think ufos in the 60s

445
00:19:45,669 --> 00:19:44,559
they think civilian whatever they see

446
00:19:48,150 --> 00:19:45,679
something but

447
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this very same type of thing was

448
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happening to ships of the ocean and to

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our bases

450
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in america uh since 1947 at least yeah

451
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yeah and the bill also demands that the

452
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uh

453
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all of the entities involved in the

454
00:20:07,590 --> 00:20:05,200
government must keep an eye toward

455
00:20:10,310 --> 00:20:07,600
reverse engineering this is new

456
00:20:12,870 --> 00:20:10,320
propulsion new power sources

457
00:20:15,830 --> 00:20:12,880
maybe maybe for the first time we

458
00:20:18,789 --> 00:20:15,840
understand how these these things that

459
00:20:21,350 --> 00:20:18,799
we observe maneuvering propel themselves

460
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and find the energy to do the propulsion

461
00:20:25,190 --> 00:20:23,600
if we do that the entire world will

462
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change forever

463
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i got one more question for you as far

464
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as propulsion goes i don't know if you'd

465
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know or not but um

466
00:20:35,430 --> 00:20:33,440
well it'd be a speculation of course but

467
00:20:37,029 --> 00:20:35,440
do you think there'd be

468
00:20:40,470 --> 00:20:37,039
any way to

469
00:20:42,390 --> 00:20:40,480
do you think using geomagnetic forces or

470
00:20:45,510 --> 00:20:42,400
electromagnetic forces could be a way to

471
00:20:47,750 --> 00:20:45,520
do that i i think the rights i'm a

472
00:20:49,430 --> 00:20:47,760
scientist the right thing for me as a

473
00:20:51,590 --> 00:20:49,440
scientist to say

474
00:20:53,669 --> 00:20:51,600
is is if i was going to do this work

475
00:20:57,669 --> 00:20:53,679
especially if i was going to get paid

476
00:20:59,590 --> 00:20:57,679
uh i'm going to look for all sorts of

477
00:21:02,230 --> 00:20:59,600
force fields

478
00:21:05,350 --> 00:21:02,240
electromagnetic gravitic whatever is

479
00:21:08,149 --> 00:21:05,360
going on around these around these craft

480
00:21:10,710 --> 00:21:08,159
when we see them maneuver and from that

481
00:21:13,830 --> 00:21:10,720
try to tease out something about the

482
00:21:17,270 --> 00:21:13,840
physics behind what we're observing then

483
00:21:19,669 --> 00:21:17,280
there's something good so i believe

484
00:21:24,789 --> 00:21:19,679
especially with all of the recent mini

485
00:21:26,950 --> 00:21:24,799
papers about how to engineer space-time

486
00:21:27,909 --> 00:21:26,960
or around the spacecraft with these warp

487
00:21:31,830 --> 00:21:27,919
bubbles

488
00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:31,840
that the only way i can see

489
00:21:35,830 --> 00:21:34,000
to have a craft

490
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go through the air

491
00:21:40,630 --> 00:21:38,640
way above the speed of sound without

492
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:40,640
burning up from friction is they're

493
00:21:44,950 --> 00:21:42,960
surrounded by some kind of warp bubble

494
00:21:46,470 --> 00:21:44,960
and they're doing it without a sonic

495
00:21:49,350 --> 00:21:46,480
boom and so

496
00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:49,360
space itself just opens up and moves

497
00:21:54,710 --> 00:21:51,840
back together and the air

498
00:21:58,549 --> 00:21:54,720
gets moved apart with the bubble as the

499
00:22:00,310 --> 00:21:58,559
craft goes by and so the air never gets

500
00:22:02,950 --> 00:22:00,320
compressed by something move at the

501
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:02,960
speed of sound through the air it's

502
00:22:08,149 --> 00:22:06,000
actual space-time that's being dilated

503
00:22:10,149 --> 00:22:08,159
and contracted to

504
00:22:12,950 --> 00:22:10,159
move the spacecraft that's why you don't

505
00:22:15,270 --> 00:22:12,960
hear a sonic boom and whatever

506
00:22:18,149 --> 00:22:15,280
so every time you manipulate the

507
00:22:21,190 --> 00:22:18,159
space-time around one of these objects

508
00:22:23,350 --> 00:22:21,200
all of the heat that it gives off from

509
00:22:24,310 --> 00:22:23,360
the energy sources that causes it to

510
00:22:26,870 --> 00:22:24,320
work

511
00:22:30,710 --> 00:22:26,880
they are going to be doppler shifted

512
00:22:33,270 --> 00:22:30,720
from invisible to visible and beyond so

513
00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:33,280
i think almost all of the

514
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the visible light and the radiation that

515
00:22:41,909 --> 00:22:39,520
harms people is from these photons going

516
00:22:43,350 --> 00:22:41,919
through a

517
00:22:45,669 --> 00:22:43,360
gravitational

518
00:22:47,830 --> 00:22:45,679
shift that causes them to change

519
00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:47,840
frequency and these frequencies can

520
00:22:52,630 --> 00:22:50,480
either be now be visible or harmful

521
00:22:55,190 --> 00:22:52,640
i think i think this is a i think warp

522
00:22:58,549 --> 00:22:55,200
bubble is a great explanation but as a

523
00:23:01,750 --> 00:22:58,559
scientist what i care about is give me

524
00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:01,760
data so that i can run experiments

525
00:23:04,870 --> 00:23:04,080
yeah yeah

526
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:04,880
yeah

527
00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:11,029
mandates that it gets done for the first

528
00:23:14,950 --> 00:23:12,720
time

529
00:23:16,789 --> 00:23:14,960
love that it's amazing it's an amazing

530
00:23:19,029 --> 00:23:16,799
historic day we all

531
00:23:20,710 --> 00:23:19,039
we all should do victory laps if we can

532
00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:20,720
if we can get around

533
00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:22,720
the track we should do we should do a

534
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:26,000
victory lap um can you uh now one thing

535
00:23:30,789 --> 00:23:28,799
i i think you'll appreciate this given

536
00:23:33,029 --> 00:23:30,799
your um

537
00:23:35,669 --> 00:23:33,039
predilection towards the big view

538
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:35,679
in many different ways um can you tell

539
00:23:41,350 --> 00:23:38,880
us a little bit about hawkeye 360 and

540
00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:41,360
kind of like what it might imply in

541
00:23:44,950 --> 00:23:43,360
terms of why it's significant that

542
00:23:47,269 --> 00:23:44,960
you've turned your attention towards

543
00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:47,279
ufology that's a that's a terrific thing

544
00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:49,200
so so it

545
00:23:53,669 --> 00:23:51,440
the beginning of it had absolutely zero

546
00:23:55,110 --> 00:23:53,679
to do with ufology so

547
00:23:55,990 --> 00:23:55,120
uh the

548
00:23:58,950 --> 00:23:56,000
the

549
00:24:03,430 --> 00:23:58,960
i realized that

550
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:03,440
my my experiences and my capabilities my

551
00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:04,880
education

552
00:24:09,669 --> 00:24:08,000
on the job and off the job training etc

553
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:09,679
prepared me

554
00:24:14,950 --> 00:24:12,480
to do a particular kind of work and do

555
00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:14,960
it well which is

556
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:15,840
uh

557
00:24:21,590 --> 00:24:19,919
find the location of transmitting things

558
00:24:23,990 --> 00:24:21,600
that are on the earth

559
00:24:25,430 --> 00:24:24,000
so a large portion of what the united

560
00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:25,440
states intelligence community and

561
00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:28,799
defense community does is find out who's

562
00:24:32,149 --> 00:24:30,480
transmitting and once they find out

563
00:24:34,149 --> 00:24:32,159
who's transmitting why are they

564
00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:34,159
transmitting if you find out who they

565
00:24:38,950 --> 00:24:36,000
are and why they're transmitting can you

566
00:24:41,430 --> 00:24:38,960
then tell us what they're saying so that

567
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:41,440
is many layers of government involved in

568
00:24:45,750 --> 00:24:43,440
all of that so

569
00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:45,760
uh and we have

570
00:24:50,870 --> 00:24:48,320
exquisite capabilities in the united

571
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:50,880
states government people just have

572
00:24:55,590 --> 00:24:54,000
no idea of the capabilities the united

573
00:24:57,029 --> 00:24:55,600
states government has but here's the

574
00:24:57,909 --> 00:24:57,039
thing i found out

575
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:57,919
and

576
00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:00,799
i'm about to tell you why i started uh

577
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:04,960
hellchi 360. i went into an office which

578
00:25:09,190 --> 00:25:06,720
has a lot to do

579
00:25:11,269 --> 00:25:09,200
with orbiting sensors built for the

580
00:25:15,750 --> 00:25:11,279
united states government

581
00:25:18,470 --> 00:25:15,760
and i found out that if a hundred people

582
00:25:20,870 --> 00:25:18,480
walk in the door of the government

583
00:25:23,110 --> 00:25:20,880
other government customers not just not

584
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:23,120
just not external just government

585
00:25:29,830 --> 00:25:26,400
customers walk in the door and say i

586
00:25:32,470 --> 00:25:29,840
need your help with your amazing sensors

587
00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:32,480
under 10 get helped

588
00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:33,840
no

589
00:25:43,350 --> 00:25:39,840
okay so i said

590
00:25:44,710 --> 00:25:43,360
i believe that technology has changed so

591
00:25:48,630 --> 00:25:44,720
much

592
00:25:52,789 --> 00:25:48,640
that with the right set of ideas

593
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:52,799
we can help the bottom 10 or 20 percent

594
00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:54,880
and it turned out

595
00:26:00,310 --> 00:25:57,600
that ants asking that question can i

596
00:26:02,710 --> 00:26:00,320
help the bottom 10 or 20 percent i wound

597
00:26:06,390 --> 00:26:02,720
up being able to help a lot more

598
00:26:09,830 --> 00:26:06,400
so i came up with ideas of how to take

599
00:26:12,310 --> 00:26:09,840
spacecraft and use them together along

600
00:26:14,230 --> 00:26:12,320
with modern technology

601
00:26:16,470 --> 00:26:14,240
uh better clocks better oscillators

602
00:26:20,310 --> 00:26:16,480
better timing better location better

603
00:26:22,230 --> 00:26:20,320
computers better ground systems using

604
00:26:24,149 --> 00:26:22,240
massive computing that's now cheap

605
00:26:25,990 --> 00:26:24,159
enough for a company to own not you

606
00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:26,000
don't need a government budget to buy

607
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:28,240
these equipment i could take a few

608
00:26:34,149 --> 00:26:30,880
spacecraft and locate something on the

609
00:26:37,029 --> 00:26:34,159
earth to a few meters now we all know

610
00:26:39,510 --> 00:26:37,039
that we have these exquisite set of

611
00:26:41,430 --> 00:26:39,520
satellites in orbit from digital globe

612
00:26:43,590 --> 00:26:41,440
and skybox and all these things that can

613
00:26:46,710 --> 00:26:43,600
take pictures of things that are a meter

614
00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:46,720
or size on the earth the problem is

615
00:26:52,549 --> 00:26:49,360
there's a lots of square meters on the

616
00:26:55,269 --> 00:26:52,559
earth where do these fancy cameras point

617
00:26:58,710 --> 00:26:55,279
that was the missing piece that hawkeye

618
00:27:01,190 --> 00:26:58,720
filled it can say here's a transmitter i

619
00:27:03,430 --> 00:27:01,200
know from the external characteristics

620
00:27:05,909 --> 00:27:03,440
that this transmitter is from the

621
00:27:08,149 --> 00:27:05,919
chinese people's liberation army you

622
00:27:11,350 --> 00:27:08,159
better go take a picture to see what's

623
00:27:13,269 --> 00:27:11,360
going on and i used that example because

624
00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:13,279
anybody listening including the two of

625
00:27:19,110 --> 00:27:16,240
you can go google hawkeye 360 and the

626
00:27:21,909 --> 00:27:19,120
chinese build up on the indian border we

627
00:27:24,310 --> 00:27:21,919
found them before anyone else did

628
00:27:28,470 --> 00:27:24,320
okay that's number one and number two

629
00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:28,480
when wuhan went crazy with covet 19

630
00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:31,360
the first thing hawkeye did was go look

631
00:27:35,830 --> 00:27:32,880
what's happening to all the shipping

632
00:27:38,549 --> 00:27:35,840
traffic going in and out of shanghai etc

633
00:27:41,830 --> 00:27:38,559
it went to zero before anybody declared

634
00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:41,840
an emergency and hawkeye knew it okay so

635
00:27:47,350 --> 00:27:44,960
that's what we're doing all ships all

636
00:27:49,269 --> 00:27:47,360
military units everybody has to

637
00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:49,279
communicate and they'd hint they can't

638
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:52,080
have a tether they need a radio and our

639
00:27:58,950 --> 00:27:55,200
job is to locate those radios and use

640
00:28:01,510 --> 00:27:58,960
other metadata to say in an intelligence

641
00:28:03,430 --> 00:28:01,520
product i found these radios that's not

642
00:28:05,909 --> 00:28:03,440
good enough you got to say i found these

643
00:28:07,750 --> 00:28:05,919
radios but in finding these radios

644
00:28:10,149 --> 00:28:07,760
here's who i think is using them and

645
00:28:12,230 --> 00:28:10,159
here's what i think they're doing and

646
00:28:13,830 --> 00:28:12,240
you go off and find out if you want to

647
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:13,840
and the government buys that data

648
00:28:20,470 --> 00:28:17,760
commercial in so for the first time ever

649
00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:20,480
commercial entities can buy the kind of

650
00:28:24,310 --> 00:28:23,279
data the government gets for itself

651
00:28:26,389 --> 00:28:24,320
wow

652
00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:26,399
that's why here was a crazy it was a

653
00:28:30,870 --> 00:28:29,279
crazy thing i had ngo uh

654
00:28:32,789 --> 00:28:30,880
non-governmental organizations and

655
00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:32,799
others around the world care a lot about

656
00:28:39,510 --> 00:28:34,320
illegal fishing

657
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:39,520
they they turn they they turn off their

658
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:42,480
locators and their anti-collision things

659
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:44,799
but they always have on a radar or

660
00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:46,240
something else so because they don't

661
00:28:50,950 --> 00:28:48,640
want to run aground or hit another ship

662
00:28:52,789 --> 00:28:50,960
i can find them so i can now find the

663
00:28:54,789 --> 00:28:52,799
illegal hunting ships all around the

664
00:28:56,549 --> 00:28:54,799
world with hawkeye 360. that's number

665
00:28:59,110 --> 00:28:56,559
one and i'll give you a different one

666
00:29:01,669 --> 00:28:59,120
it's just as crazy so

667
00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:01,679
when we began getting cell towers all

668
00:29:06,149 --> 00:29:03,520
over the world

669
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:06,159
none of them ever had

670
00:29:10,230 --> 00:29:07,840
the claimed

671
00:29:13,510 --> 00:29:10,240
capacity to carry

672
00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:13,520
conversations they are always less than

673
00:29:17,269 --> 00:29:16,000
the predicted capacity to carry these

674
00:29:21,029 --> 00:29:17,279
conversations

675
00:29:23,669 --> 00:29:21,039
and i had on a hypothesis that it was

676
00:29:25,350 --> 00:29:23,679
caused by unknown sources of

677
00:29:27,669 --> 00:29:25,360
interference

678
00:29:29,669 --> 00:29:27,679
at the receivers on these cell towers

679
00:29:31,830 --> 00:29:29,679
and now we can locate the interference

680
00:29:33,990 --> 00:29:31,840
source to a meter

681
00:29:36,070 --> 00:29:34,000
and so this will save

682
00:29:38,830 --> 00:29:36,080
wireless industries

683
00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:38,840
billions of dollars in capital

684
00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:41,360
expenditures because now they find the

685
00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:43,440
interference source rather than spend a

686
00:29:46,950 --> 00:29:45,760
million dollars for a new tower

687
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:46,960
yeah

688
00:29:50,070 --> 00:29:48,530
well i hope you get your piece

689
00:29:52,389 --> 00:29:50,080
[Laughter]

690
00:29:54,389 --> 00:29:52,399
so it's just look it was the right time

691
00:29:55,909 --> 00:29:54,399
the right place and the right partners

692
00:29:58,630 --> 00:29:55,919
to get it done

693
00:30:00,789 --> 00:29:58,640
yeah especially yeah these days when uh

694
00:30:03,510 --> 00:30:00,799
you know technology is so accessible to

695
00:30:05,990 --> 00:30:03,520
maybe nefarious people as well and

696
00:30:07,590 --> 00:30:06,000
anybody if a lot lots of other people

697
00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:07,600
that are even that are smarter than me

698
00:30:13,029 --> 00:30:10,240
can do this kind of stuff so i had a set

699
00:30:16,950 --> 00:30:13,039
of experiences but i also realized that

700
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:16,960
technology is democratizing technical

701
00:30:22,950 --> 00:30:19,760
capabilities like nothing before we are

702
00:30:23,830 --> 00:30:22,960
in the golden age of technology

703
00:30:25,909 --> 00:30:23,840
hmm

704
00:30:27,750 --> 00:30:25,919
do you see a power sorry if i'm hogging

705
00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:27,760
the mic here uh j do you see a like a

706
00:30:33,110 --> 00:30:30,880
power shift coming with that as well yes

707
00:30:35,990 --> 00:30:33,120
yes i do in which way

708
00:30:38,549 --> 00:30:36,000
so it'll be good and it'll be bad like

709
00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:38,559
all things it depends so

710
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:40,880
bad entities can now take the

711
00:30:45,190 --> 00:30:42,880
capabilities in these little pieces of

712
00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:45,200
technology and do things that 20 years

713
00:30:49,909 --> 00:30:47,760
ago only governments can do and they

714
00:30:53,029 --> 00:30:49,919
will not they will not use it for our

715
00:30:54,470 --> 00:30:53,039
benefit in the western civilization they

716
00:30:56,310 --> 00:30:54,480
will do whatever they want to do with it

717
00:30:58,710 --> 00:30:56,320
hopefully they will use it

718
00:31:00,789 --> 00:30:58,720
in a positive way to help their people

719
00:31:02,789 --> 00:31:00,799
and that's what i hope they do

720
00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:02,799
yeah

721
00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:05,440
go ahead jay i don't mean to hug the mic

722
00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:07,039
oh no not at all

723
00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:09,360
job is just very interesting

724
00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:11,760
absolutely well uh one more question

725
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:14,000
along these lines and in terms of kind

726
00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:15,360
of like really trying to suss this out a

727
00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:16,960
little bit you know so much of your

728
00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:19,440
career has been spent specializing in

729
00:31:25,269 --> 00:31:21,600
radio waves and detection

730
00:31:27,590 --> 00:31:25,279
and seti has famously supposedly come up

731
00:31:30,310 --> 00:31:27,600
with a real big goose egg in terms of

732
00:31:32,230 --> 00:31:30,320
radio detection of other life out there

733
00:31:35,190 --> 00:31:32,240
is that do you think that's a problem of

734
00:31:38,310 --> 00:31:35,200
methodology do we know of better ways to

735
00:31:42,310 --> 00:31:38,320
use rf to detect other life here or

736
00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:42,320
elsewhere so the the the in the end the

737
00:31:46,950 --> 00:31:44,640
people at the seti institute which is

738
00:31:49,509 --> 00:31:46,960
private entity not funded by government

739
00:31:51,669 --> 00:31:49,519
since william proxmyer ended all

740
00:31:52,630 --> 00:31:51,679
government funding for seti

741
00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:52,640
um

742
00:31:58,789 --> 00:31:56,640
they built a radio telescope in uh

743
00:32:01,269 --> 00:31:58,799
hat creek california

744
00:32:04,389 --> 00:32:01,279
funded by paul allen

745
00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:04,399
now the issue there is it's was never

746
00:32:09,110 --> 00:32:07,200
completed it has a the number of

747
00:32:11,190 --> 00:32:09,120
instruments it has

748
00:32:12,789 --> 00:32:11,200
are limited there are other radio

749
00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:12,799
telescopes around the world but they're

750
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:14,720
doing science they're not looking for

751
00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:16,799
extraterrestrial intelligence the one in

752
00:32:21,509 --> 00:32:19,039
hack creek is the only one dedicated to

753
00:32:23,830 --> 00:32:21,519
that right now

754
00:32:25,509 --> 00:32:23,840
i don't believe it has the necessary

755
00:32:29,909 --> 00:32:25,519
sensitivity

756
00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:29,919
uh to do that so uh i have some ideas

757
00:32:35,269 --> 00:32:32,720
about how to help them

758
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:35,279
drastically improve

759
00:32:40,630 --> 00:32:38,000
what's called the dynamic range so let's

760
00:32:42,549 --> 00:32:40,640
what do i mean by that let's have a

761
00:32:45,430 --> 00:32:42,559
frequency band this wide let's call it

762
00:32:46,630 --> 00:32:45,440
the fm band and the fm band is full of

763
00:32:49,029 --> 00:32:46,640
signals

764
00:32:49,830 --> 00:32:49,039
well i want to find a really really weak

765
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:49,840
one

766
00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:57,600
the receiver has to have what's called

767
00:33:03,509 --> 00:33:00,720
large dynamic range so it can hear the

768
00:33:04,870 --> 00:33:03,519
strong one and the weak one at exactly

769
00:33:07,029 --> 00:33:04,880
the same time

770
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:07,039
steady is

771
00:33:12,789 --> 00:33:10,480
just hammered by interference that they

772
00:33:15,190 --> 00:33:12,799
did not believe they would be subjected

773
00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:15,200
to so right over the mountains is a

774
00:33:19,750 --> 00:33:17,840
large population along the coast of

775
00:33:22,149 --> 00:33:19,760
california and

776
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:22,159
knife edge diffraction and other forms

777
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:24,480
of propagation are bringing all that

778
00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:26,240
interference over the mountain and

779
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:28,320
harming seti's efforts so they need to

780
00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:30,000
figure out how to increase the dynamic

781
00:33:36,149 --> 00:33:32,159
range of their receivers i'm hoping i'll

782
00:33:38,070 --> 00:33:36,159
be able to help and uh so so uh but but

783
00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:38,080
they just need to find better ways to

784
00:33:42,549 --> 00:33:40,720
look for weaker signals now given what

785
00:33:44,950 --> 00:33:42,559
the money they had

786
00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:44,960
they only could take

787
00:33:49,350 --> 00:33:47,279
one approach we all know it's not

788
00:33:51,909 --> 00:33:49,360
adequate but they only take one approach

789
00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:51,919
and that is the target approach what did

790
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:53,760
i what do i mean by that

791
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:55,200
they guess

792
00:34:01,830 --> 00:34:00,000
planet around it so they point this

793
00:34:04,389 --> 00:34:01,840
telescope with you with high gain

794
00:34:05,350 --> 00:34:04,399
antennas and it looks at a spec on the

795
00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:05,360
sky

796
00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:07,440
so remember the thing i told you about

797
00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:09,760
hawkeye 360. there's lots of square

798
00:34:14,069 --> 00:34:11,760
meters on the earth so somebody needed

799
00:34:16,470 --> 00:34:14,079
to help them they needed another kind

800
00:34:17,669 --> 00:34:16,480
they needed another kind of instrument

801
00:34:19,990 --> 00:34:17,679
to find

802
00:34:23,349 --> 00:34:20,000
candidates that's the exquisite

803
00:34:24,389 --> 00:34:23,359
sensitivity instruments can go after so

804
00:34:26,389 --> 00:34:24,399
i don't know

805
00:34:27,990 --> 00:34:26,399
i don't if there ever be money for

806
00:34:30,629 --> 00:34:28,000
building the kind of

807
00:34:32,310 --> 00:34:30,639
equipment that's needed to do the survey

808
00:34:35,589 --> 00:34:32,320
that then is followed by the targeted

809
00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:35,599
look but but that's the problem is they

810
00:34:39,909 --> 00:34:37,280
have capability it's excellent

811
00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:39,919
capability it could use some more work

812
00:34:44,230 --> 00:34:42,000
and it needs another toy that they don't

813
00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:44,240
have the money to fund

814
00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:45,760
they're being hammered

815
00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:47,760
but for not succeeding and they've done

816
00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:50,480
the best they can it's maybe their way

817
00:34:55,669 --> 00:34:53,520
of doing things a little

818
00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:55,679
i don't want to say outdated but maybe

819
00:34:59,349 --> 00:34:57,839
things are shifting because of where we

820
00:35:01,990 --> 00:34:59,359
are now with technology and the amount

821
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:02,000
of noise that's out there is you know

822
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:05,280
finding e.t life via a faint radio

823
00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:08,640
signal uh the most practical way to even

824
00:35:13,510 --> 00:35:10,640
move forward on something like that

825
00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:13,520
right now okay so i think it's a way and

826
00:35:17,349 --> 00:35:15,599
they're using private funds more power

827
00:35:20,069 --> 00:35:17,359
to them if they can do it with private

828
00:35:21,270 --> 00:35:20,079
funds okay so uh but but i believe in

829
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:21,280
order to be

830
00:35:24,870 --> 00:35:23,040
what what would be the greatest thing

831
00:35:26,069 --> 00:35:24,880
ever is for them to get a clear

832
00:35:28,150 --> 00:35:26,079
candidate

833
00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:28,160
after that i might really believe with

834
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:30,160
all my heart money won't be an issue now

835
00:35:35,109 --> 00:35:32,240
that's number one number two

836
00:35:38,069 --> 00:35:35,119
uh we all want to get on our knees and

837
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:38,079
do some of this for success on december

838
00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:39,359
22nd

839
00:35:48,630 --> 00:35:45,520
telescope is launched and if that if

840
00:35:52,630 --> 00:35:48,640
there's any hiccup along the way 10

841
00:35:54,150 --> 00:35:52,640
billion dollars is gone okay so uh

842
00:35:56,150 --> 00:35:54,160
it's literally

843
00:35:57,910 --> 00:35:56,160
hundreds of points of failure and none

844
00:35:59,670 --> 00:35:57,920
of them can fail or the mission will

845
00:36:02,230 --> 00:35:59,680
fail all right but let's suppose they

846
00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:02,240
get there suppose they get into l2

847
00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:04,720
uh uh between earth moon

848
00:36:09,190 --> 00:36:06,800
and and sun so when it sits there in

849
00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:09,200
this halo orbit and it works for 10

850
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:10,240
years

851
00:36:17,190 --> 00:36:15,599
uh the thing is so freaking unbelievably

852
00:36:18,790 --> 00:36:17,200
sensitive

853
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:18,800
that if

854
00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:21,599
a few hundred light years from earth

855
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:24,960
there's a planet orbiting another star

856
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:28,079
and it has a night side and a day side

857
00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:30,000
and we regularly get to see the night

858
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:33,200
side and on that night side there's a

859
00:36:37,349 --> 00:36:35,760
megalopolis the size of new york to

860
00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:37,359
washington dc

861
00:36:41,109 --> 00:36:38,240
okay

862
00:36:44,310 --> 00:36:41,119
of of alien beings the james webb

863
00:36:46,150 --> 00:36:44,320
telescope will detect it

864
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:46,160
[Laughter]

865
00:36:50,310 --> 00:36:49,200
we'll find those cities on the dark side

866
00:36:53,430 --> 00:36:50,320
of a planet

867
00:36:55,990 --> 00:36:53,440
i mean come on we gotta want this and so

868
00:36:58,390 --> 00:36:56,000
once once we find these detections we

869
00:37:01,349 --> 00:36:58,400
can aim radio telescopes even the big

870
00:37:03,829 --> 00:37:01,359
ones at that civilization and try to

871
00:37:06,710 --> 00:37:03,839
find their radio signals so look we need

872
00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:06,720
to have we need multi-messenger

873
00:37:13,270 --> 00:37:09,280
approaches to doing these detections

874
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:13,280
light radio x-rays we need all sorts of

875
00:37:17,109 --> 00:37:15,520
things to find these things and finally

876
00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:17,119
technology is reaching the place where

877
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:18,880
we can do this but we need all hands on

878
00:37:22,950 --> 00:37:20,640
deck said he included

879
00:37:25,270 --> 00:37:22,960
yeah

880
00:37:27,430 --> 00:37:25,280
along those lines of detection since you

881
00:37:30,630 --> 00:37:27,440
started your career there have been some

882
00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:30,640
significant advances in detection

883
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:32,880
to put it mildly planets outside our

884
00:37:37,030 --> 00:37:35,440
solar system gravitational waves dark

885
00:37:38,550 --> 00:37:37,040
matter dark energy

886
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:38,560
according to some it looks like we

887
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:40,320
figured out that we can maybe only

888
00:37:44,310 --> 00:37:42,320
account for five percent of what's going

889
00:37:46,069 --> 00:37:44,320
on in our universe no i'm in terms of

890
00:37:47,589 --> 00:37:46,079
energy

891
00:37:48,790 --> 00:37:47,599
that's just a simple

892
00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:48,800
fact

893
00:37:52,630 --> 00:37:51,040
the visible matter

894
00:37:56,950 --> 00:37:52,640
in the universe

895
00:38:00,870 --> 00:37:56,960
and the energy we see coming from stars

896
00:38:02,230 --> 00:38:00,880
uh etc that accounts for five percent of

897
00:38:03,670 --> 00:38:02,240
the universe

898
00:38:06,069 --> 00:38:03,680
95

899
00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:06,079
of the energy and matter

900
00:38:12,870 --> 00:38:08,800
we know is in the universe we don't have

901
00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:12,880
a clue what it is or even how to find it

902
00:38:16,870 --> 00:38:15,200
yeah so does that does that keep you up

903
00:38:18,630 --> 00:38:16,880
at night this mystery of not being able

904
00:38:20,310 --> 00:38:18,640
to

905
00:38:23,349 --> 00:38:20,320
it drives me and everybody else who

906
00:38:25,030 --> 00:38:23,359
cares about this stuff crazy why can't

907
00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:25,040
we figure out

908
00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:28,160
what is causing galaxies to rotate too

909
00:38:31,349 --> 00:38:29,520
fast

910
00:38:32,790 --> 00:38:31,359
why can't we figure it out we can look

911
00:38:34,710 --> 00:38:32,800
at them every night and go out with my

912
00:38:37,030 --> 00:38:34,720
telescope tonight and start taking

913
00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:37,040
pictures and over here i'll be able to

914
00:38:40,630 --> 00:38:38,880
measure the closest ones and see they're

915
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:40,640
rotating too fast

916
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:43,440
that the stars way out from the center

917
00:38:49,510 --> 00:38:46,880
are rotating too fast to be to be

918
00:38:51,349 --> 00:38:49,520
claimed by the gravity from the visible

919
00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:51,359
matter

920
00:38:58,870 --> 00:38:56,480
remember gravitation is curvature of

921
00:39:00,870 --> 00:38:58,880
space time caused by both energy and

922
00:39:03,670 --> 00:39:00,880
matter and we can measure it we can

923
00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:03,680
measure the visible energy and matter in

924
00:39:09,670 --> 00:39:06,640
say the andromeda galaxy and

925
00:39:12,870 --> 00:39:09,680
it spins too fast for that to account

926
00:39:15,750 --> 00:39:12,880
for anything so that is how dark matter

927
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:15,760
came into being and then we noticed that

928
00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:18,960
the universe was expanding at a very

929
00:39:24,069 --> 00:39:22,320
rapid rate and it's expanding so quickly

930
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:24,079
that pretty soon the far end of the

931
00:39:29,109 --> 00:39:26,880
universe away from us will be moving

932
00:39:31,510 --> 00:39:29,119
away from us faster than the speed of

933
00:39:32,710 --> 00:39:31,520
light and we will never see it again

934
00:39:35,990 --> 00:39:32,720
okay so

935
00:39:39,349 --> 00:39:36,000
uh and the the thing that's causing that

936
00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:39,359
expansion is dark energy

937
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:41,520
and we just don't know how it works we

938
00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:43,440
really don't know but i mean we have

939
00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:46,160
this big lambda we shove into einstein's

940
00:39:53,589 --> 00:39:49,520
equation that governs the expansion but

941
00:39:56,950 --> 00:39:55,190
it's like imagine when

942
00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:56,960
somebody does figure out

943
00:40:02,150 --> 00:39:59,040
a little bit more about it it's probably

944
00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:02,160
like turning a light switch on

945
00:40:05,829 --> 00:40:03,920
you know oh here figure out

946
00:40:09,190 --> 00:40:05,839
either dark matter or dark energy it's

947
00:40:11,589 --> 00:40:09,200
going to be amazing the fallout of what

948
00:40:13,750 --> 00:40:11,599
we will learn will be amazing i i can't

949
00:40:15,510 --> 00:40:13,760
wait i hope i live to see it

950
00:40:17,430 --> 00:40:15,520
yeah um

951
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:17,440
go ahead jay

952
00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:20,240
do you think that that points to

953
00:40:24,790 --> 00:40:22,560
that you know there's that classic

954
00:40:26,950 --> 00:40:24,800
you know famous question uh that

955
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:26,960
happened in the cafeteria i think uh

956
00:40:30,309 --> 00:40:29,200
that led to kind of booting up the fermi

957
00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:30,319
paradox

958
00:40:35,430 --> 00:40:32,800
and it goes like this where are they

959
00:40:36,790 --> 00:40:35,440
yeah you know army arena fermi enrico

960
00:40:37,910 --> 00:40:36,800
fermi said

961
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:37,920
when

962
00:40:42,230 --> 00:40:39,920
in this conversation in the cafeteria at

963
00:40:44,710 --> 00:40:42,240
los alamos where are they

964
00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:44,720
and people have kept kept looking and

965
00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:46,160
looking and

966
00:40:50,710 --> 00:40:48,720
the the the the uh

967
00:40:52,790 --> 00:40:50,720
initially people kept looking for

968
00:40:54,790 --> 00:40:52,800
prosaic or easy answers

969
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:54,800
like there are no planets we're the only

970
00:40:58,710 --> 00:40:56,880
the only solar system in the universe

971
00:41:01,910 --> 00:40:58,720
right and of course all that has

972
00:41:03,750 --> 00:41:01,920
completely fallen away and so

973
00:41:06,870 --> 00:41:03,760
we're getting down to the point where

974
00:41:07,589 --> 00:41:06,880
we're without excuses

975
00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:07,599
so

976
00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:10,800
i don't know which to be terrified

977
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:13,200
of more

978
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:17,040
that we are the only living beings in

979
00:41:22,150 --> 00:41:19,680
the universe or they're everywhere

980
00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:22,160
and if they're everywhere why are they

981
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:24,640
censoring us from seeing them

982
00:41:29,430 --> 00:41:26,880
so that's number one or the other thing

983
00:41:31,750 --> 00:41:29,440
even more terrifying if we're the only

984
00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:31,760
conscious beings in the universe we

985
00:41:36,870 --> 00:41:35,200
behave very badly and i hope we don't

986
00:41:39,190 --> 00:41:36,880
end ourselves or the light of

987
00:41:41,910 --> 00:41:39,200
consciousness will go out so either one

988
00:41:43,030 --> 00:41:41,920
of those possibilities scares a crap out

989
00:41:45,670 --> 00:41:43,040
of me

990
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:45,680
yeah i would i mean i would have to

991
00:41:48,630 --> 00:41:46,800
imagine

992
00:41:50,230 --> 00:41:48,640
there's a filter that we can't see it

993
00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:50,240
right because i mean you can just go to

994
00:41:54,870 --> 00:41:52,480
ultraviolet laser rays that we can't see

995
00:41:56,230 --> 00:41:54,880
we can only see so much so knowing

996
00:41:58,390 --> 00:41:56,240
that's the case

997
00:41:59,349 --> 00:41:58,400
um including the encounters people have

998
00:42:01,030 --> 00:41:59,359
had

999
00:42:02,250 --> 00:42:01,040
um

1000
00:42:04,230 --> 00:42:02,260
i would bet on that one

1001
00:42:06,630 --> 00:42:04,240
[Laughter]

1002
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:06,640
so you know we've we've put ultraviolet

1003
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:09,839
x-ray infrared etc telescopes in orbit

1004
00:42:14,710 --> 00:42:12,640
and on tops of mountains and

1005
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:14,720
uh it would have to be something really

1006
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:16,400
strange just to keep us from hearing

1007
00:42:20,550 --> 00:42:18,720
i'll get now what do i think might be

1008
00:42:23,829 --> 00:42:20,560
the case here's what i think might be

1009
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:23,839
the case we are only now learning a lot

1010
00:42:28,829 --> 00:42:26,400
about how to use quantum mechanics to

1011
00:42:29,829 --> 00:42:28,839
form a network so you have

1012
00:42:31,990 --> 00:42:29,839
entanglement and

1013
00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:32,000
teleportation that will allow quantum

1014
00:42:36,870 --> 00:42:34,800
networking and the the problem the the

1015
00:42:40,630 --> 00:42:36,880
issue with quantum networking

1016
00:42:42,630 --> 00:42:40,640
for us to over over here over so

1017
00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:42,640
listen to and

1018
00:42:46,870 --> 00:42:45,760
spy on the the the et

1019
00:42:50,230 --> 00:42:46,880
is

1020
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:50,240
um you can't do that easily in a quantum

1021
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:51,280
network

1022
00:42:57,030 --> 00:42:54,160
uh you because you can't eavesdrop on a

1023
00:42:59,349 --> 00:42:57,040
quantum conversation you cannot

1024
00:43:01,829 --> 00:42:59,359
because immediately

1025
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:01,839
so they will detect it because

1026
00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:04,800
if you reach in and do an observation

1027
00:43:09,109 --> 00:43:06,640
the wave function that's in their

1028
00:43:11,270 --> 00:43:09,119
telephone system collapses and they

1029
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:11,280
can't communicate anymore i mean the

1030
00:43:16,230 --> 00:43:14,240
very femtosecond you stick your nose in

1031
00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:16,240
their thing breaks and they turn it off

1032
00:43:19,990 --> 00:43:18,880
that would be a way to do censoring but

1033
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:20,000
i might get we don't have the

1034
00:43:25,030 --> 00:43:22,400
capabilities right now to even find any

1035
00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:25,040
quantum communication system in action

1036
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:26,880
but as soon as we observe it they'll

1037
00:43:30,790 --> 00:43:28,480
know we're snooping

1038
00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:30,800
yeah

1039
00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:32,240
they probably know we're trying to snoop

1040
00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:37,109
i mean you know i want some evidence

1041
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:38,000
yeah

1042
00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:40,880
i mean i think this uap task force is

1043
00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:43,440
the office is you know a major first

1044
00:43:45,270 --> 00:43:44,480
step

1045
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:45,280
yeah

1046
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:47,280
well so jay asked me another question

1047
00:43:50,790 --> 00:43:48,960
and i'm just going to tell you something

1048
00:43:53,430 --> 00:43:50,800
else keeps me up at night

1049
00:43:55,510 --> 00:43:53,440
it really does the following

1050
00:43:56,309 --> 00:43:55,520
causes me nightmares

1051
00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:56,319
so

1052
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:58,640
i've worked inside the united states

1053
00:44:02,790 --> 00:44:01,200
government for decades

1054
00:44:05,109 --> 00:44:02,800
and the things that happened in the

1055
00:44:07,990 --> 00:44:05,119
1940s and 50s

1056
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:08,000
i cannot even begin to understand the

1057
00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:10,560
motivation for the way

1058
00:44:14,069 --> 00:44:11,920
witnesses

1059
00:44:17,109 --> 00:44:14,079
etc were treated

1060
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:17,119
and i just keep having this nagging

1061
00:44:21,030 --> 00:44:18,240
feeling

1062
00:44:23,829 --> 00:44:21,040
that something is known that is truly

1063
00:44:26,230 --> 00:44:23,839
horrible and i just it just keeps

1064
00:44:28,230 --> 00:44:26,240
nagging at me and i keep looking for

1065
00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:28,240
evidence and so forth that somebody has

1066
00:44:32,309 --> 00:44:30,720
said something that is easily gone and

1067
00:44:33,829 --> 00:44:32,319
checked out to see whether or not what

1068
00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:33,839
they've said is true

1069
00:44:38,069 --> 00:44:36,960
and i just keep hoping that it really

1070
00:44:40,550 --> 00:44:38,079
was

1071
00:44:43,270 --> 00:44:40,560
crazy christians and anti-soviet

1072
00:44:44,910 --> 00:44:43,280
paranoia that kept us from learning what

1073
00:44:49,030 --> 00:44:44,920
happened between the

1074
00:44:51,829 --> 00:44:49,040
1945 and 1960. i mean over the

1075
00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:51,839
overflight of the capital of the united

1076
00:44:56,790 --> 00:44:54,400
states in 1952

1077
00:44:59,270 --> 00:44:56,800
which was captured on video should have

1078
00:45:01,190 --> 00:44:59,280
been a major deal and it's just like

1079
00:45:02,950 --> 00:45:01,200
people don't even remember it because

1080
00:45:07,030 --> 00:45:02,960
it's been squashed

1081
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:07,040
why is it necessary to squash this stuff

1082
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:08,079
why

1083
00:45:15,349 --> 00:45:13,920
yeah no i mean i think kind of something

1084
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:15,359
along the

1085
00:45:20,710 --> 00:45:18,720
you is just

1086
00:45:22,309 --> 00:45:20,720
like i understand that a lot of people

1087
00:45:23,910 --> 00:45:22,319
would say evangelical christians call

1088
00:45:25,750 --> 00:45:23,920
them demons and all all that kind of

1089
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:25,760
stuff within the government but i just

1090
00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:27,440
also think like

1091
00:45:30,069 --> 00:45:28,560
you know just because they're

1092
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:30,079
evangelical christian doesn't mean

1093
00:45:33,589 --> 00:45:32,400
they're just stupid right

1094
00:45:35,589 --> 00:45:33,599
so like

1095
00:45:37,030 --> 00:45:35,599
like why are they

1096
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:37,040
you know they have to have some sort of

1097
00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:38,880
reason for thinking that versus just

1098
00:45:44,069 --> 00:45:41,280
like if it's not god it's a devil kind

1099
00:45:46,230 --> 00:45:44,079
of mentality you know i this is this is

1100
00:45:48,150 --> 00:45:46,240
why it keeps me awake at night what do

1101
00:45:49,349 --> 00:45:48,160
they know that they're trying to keep

1102
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:49,359
from us

1103
00:45:53,190 --> 00:45:51,920
yeah and then i find documents

1104
00:45:57,510 --> 00:45:53,200
and

1105
00:45:59,030 --> 00:45:57,520
actually found them months apart

1106
00:46:02,309 --> 00:45:59,040
with little

1107
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:02,319
like demon looking things drawn on them

1108
00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:05,520
which is pretty creepy um so i don't

1109
00:46:10,390 --> 00:46:08,720
know uh what that means but

1110
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:10,400
you know hopefully if there's something

1111
00:46:12,829 --> 00:46:11,680
that bad there's something that could

1112
00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:12,839
too

1113
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:15,680
so yep now

1114
00:46:20,069 --> 00:46:18,720
bob along those lines um i i remember

1115
00:46:21,510 --> 00:46:20,079
the the

1116
00:46:24,150 --> 00:46:21,520
back in the day

1117
00:46:26,829 --> 00:46:24,160
you started out kind of in in the navy

1118
00:46:27,750 --> 00:46:26,839
direction and you spent some time

1119
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:27,760
underwater longer

1120
00:46:31,990 --> 00:46:30,079
i'm underwater and on the water i love

1121
00:46:34,950 --> 00:46:32,000
the navy

1122
00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:34,960
yeah and uh you know i i think that

1123
00:46:41,670 --> 00:46:35,760
there's

1124
00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:41,680
um a lot of speculation about say the

1125
00:46:45,990 --> 00:46:43,839
catalina islands you know catalina

1126
00:46:48,550 --> 00:46:46,000
island um yeah and

1127
00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:48,560
a lot of uh speculation about trans

1128
00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:50,960
medium craft and things like that

1129
00:46:55,750 --> 00:46:53,280
is there anything you know that without

1130
00:46:57,990 --> 00:46:55,760
breaking any kind of code of secrecy any

1131
00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:58,000
kind of ndas anything that you might

1132
00:47:00,870 --> 00:46:58,960
might

1133
00:47:03,349 --> 00:47:00,880
be in a position to know is there

1134
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:03,359
anything that you can say to us about

1135
00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:05,920
what you may have

1136
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:07,280
stumbled into

1137
00:47:11,030 --> 00:47:08,400
in terms of

1138
00:47:12,790 --> 00:47:11,040
the possibilities of what happens

1139
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:12,800
under the water or with these kinds of

1140
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:15,520
trans medium craft i saw a photograph

1141
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:17,440
that was of a triangle that came out of

1142
00:47:21,270 --> 00:47:18,720
the water

1143
00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:21,280
okay that was a single frame from a

1144
00:47:26,390 --> 00:47:22,960
video that was taken

1145
00:47:29,030 --> 00:47:26,400
i don't know what vessel it was i don't

1146
00:47:31,990 --> 00:47:29,040
know who the videographer was

1147
00:47:33,829 --> 00:47:32,000
i only know that i saw it in a place

1148
00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:33,839
that you know it was inside the

1149
00:47:39,270 --> 00:47:36,240
government i don't know enough details

1150
00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:39,280
to even comment but i really hope that

1151
00:47:42,230 --> 00:47:41,200
photograph comes out someday or the

1152
00:47:44,390 --> 00:47:42,240
video

1153
00:47:47,270 --> 00:47:44,400
because apparently it was pretty

1154
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:47,280
startling and no look this was when

1155
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:49,680
when lots of stuff was being moved

1156
00:47:55,109 --> 00:47:52,480
around government so that multiple

1157
00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:55,119
agencies could weigh in on a position

1158
00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:56,880
statement and what things should be

1159
00:48:01,829 --> 00:47:58,800
released and should not be released and

1160
00:48:05,109 --> 00:48:01,839
this was before the mandate for the last

1161
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:05,119
july's report june's report by the dni

1162
00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:07,920
okay so and that was before

1163
00:48:11,109 --> 00:48:09,760
that was well before

1164
00:48:16,950 --> 00:48:11,119
i

1165
00:48:19,270 --> 00:48:16,960
of

1166
00:48:21,430 --> 00:48:19,280
me deciding to look into all this when i

1167
00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:21,440
heard these rumors about to the stars

1168
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:23,760
academy and videos and nimitz and all

1169
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:25,760
this other stuff so

1170
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:29,760
i saw it i i left government

1171
00:48:36,630 --> 00:48:32,400
i've seen some other things which are

1172
00:48:39,430 --> 00:48:36,640
hindsight very very interesting i i wish

1173
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:39,440
i could tell you definitively that i

1174
00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:40,800
know this is

1175
00:48:46,069 --> 00:48:42,880
this is all real and coming out i'm just

1176
00:48:48,630 --> 00:48:46,079
telling you i saw enough to convince me

1177
00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:48,640
that i was too curious not to look into

1178
00:48:55,109 --> 00:48:51,359
it and then i left government and i i

1179
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:55,119
never never was i was never an insider i

1180
00:48:59,910 --> 00:48:57,760
never got to see core secrets i wasn't

1181
00:49:03,030 --> 00:48:59,920
in an office that would allow me to know

1182
00:49:06,150 --> 00:49:03,040
things and when i was on a submarine or

1183
00:49:08,790 --> 00:49:06,160
on a surface vessel i never saw anything

1184
00:49:11,109 --> 00:49:08,800
or heard anything

1185
00:49:12,470 --> 00:49:11,119
did you serve in the navy i did not i

1186
00:49:15,030 --> 00:49:12,480
was a civilian

1187
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:15,040
writer doing work for the us

1188
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:16,400
intelligence community

1189
00:49:21,030 --> 00:49:17,760
gotcha

1190
00:49:23,750 --> 00:49:21,040
uh great grandpa was uh a cook in the in

1191
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:23,760
the navy in world war ii

1192
00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:24,960
um

1193
00:49:30,069 --> 00:49:27,520
yeah the uso thing is pretty interesting

1194
00:49:32,309 --> 00:49:30,079
and um you know the possibility that you

1195
00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:32,319
know a lot of people hypothesize that

1196
00:49:36,950 --> 00:49:35,520
these things may reside

1197
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:36,960
deep in the ocean

1198
00:49:41,349 --> 00:49:38,880
um

1199
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:41,359
that which would kind of make sense

1200
00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:43,040
sometimes if you correlate sightings

1201
00:49:49,030 --> 00:49:46,480
with geomagnetic anomalies i guess but

1202
00:49:50,309 --> 00:49:49,040
so i mean i think that there's lots of

1203
00:49:56,630 --> 00:49:50,319
evidence

1204
00:49:58,710 --> 00:49:56,640
going off just north of catalina from

1205
00:50:01,270 --> 00:49:58,720
the nimitz to other people going out

1206
00:50:03,270 --> 00:50:01,280
there uapx going out there i think

1207
00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:03,280
they're about to dump a bunch of data

1208
00:50:06,549 --> 00:50:05,119
that shows something out there was real

1209
00:50:08,470 --> 00:50:06,559
we've all heard

1210
00:50:11,109 --> 00:50:08,480
rumors from people that don't know how

1211
00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:11,119
to keep their mouth shut about the

1212
00:50:16,630 --> 00:50:14,400
sending of whale songs causing uaps to

1213
00:50:19,829 --> 00:50:16,640
come out of the water so everybody's

1214
00:50:21,990 --> 00:50:19,839
heard those rumors but uap x is

1215
00:50:25,589 --> 00:50:22,000
apparently going to release data that

1216
00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:25,599
they've done some analysis on uh with uh

1217
00:50:32,630 --> 00:50:30,160
flir uh video and other things showing

1218
00:50:35,109 --> 00:50:32,640
that their whale song transduced into

1219
00:50:37,829 --> 00:50:35,119
the ocean with a loud speaker

1220
00:50:40,150 --> 00:50:37,839
underwater or whatever what caused

1221
00:50:43,510 --> 00:50:40,160
caused a response by things that look

1222
00:50:46,069 --> 00:50:43,520
like tic tacs so if that is all true and

1223
00:50:48,150 --> 00:50:46,079
they document all of that and with loads

1224
00:50:51,349 --> 00:50:48,160
of metadata that allows independent

1225
00:50:53,589 --> 00:50:51,359
scientists to go and investigate wow i

1226
00:50:56,230 --> 00:50:53,599
have no idea why there's been no major

1227
00:51:01,910 --> 00:50:56,240
scientific expedition out there going

1228
00:51:05,829 --> 00:51:03,910
that would be just incredible if it

1229
00:51:07,910 --> 00:51:05,839
wound up being something i don't want to

1230
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:07,920
say simple but that kind of simple you

1231
00:51:12,309 --> 00:51:09,930
know just playing this song

1232
00:51:15,589 --> 00:51:12,319
[Laughter]

1233
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:15,599
right and i've heard from many people

1234
00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:18,240
music will be the way somehow or another

1235
00:51:22,069 --> 00:51:19,920
so that'd be interesting the old steven

1236
00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:22,079
spielberg strategy right close

1237
00:51:25,349 --> 00:51:24,480
encounters yeah you know i love that

1238
00:51:26,790 --> 00:51:25,359
yeah

1239
00:51:28,390 --> 00:51:26,800
well now we gotta be careful we'll have

1240
00:51:31,750 --> 00:51:28,400
a bunch of people playing whale songs

1241
00:51:35,270 --> 00:51:32,630
now

1242
00:51:38,069 --> 00:51:35,280
sean you you stumbled uh you stumbled

1243
00:51:40,870 --> 00:51:38,079
into into some documents i think it was

1244
00:51:41,910 --> 00:51:40,880
just yesterday um that kind of pointed

1245
00:51:45,990 --> 00:51:41,920
that maybe

1246
00:51:47,910 --> 00:51:46,000
more

1247
00:51:49,829 --> 00:51:47,920
you know he was kind of a public skeptic

1248
00:51:52,069 --> 00:51:49,839
but it looked like maybe he was he was

1249
00:51:53,910 --> 00:51:52,079
privately looking into things on a

1250
00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:53,920
deeper level

1251
00:51:58,549 --> 00:51:55,680
yeah did you remember

1252
00:52:00,790 --> 00:51:58,559
yeah from what i found it was pre condon

1253
00:52:02,150 --> 00:52:00,800
report i believe and they

1254
00:52:05,349 --> 00:52:02,160
were looking at whether they should

1255
00:52:08,309 --> 00:52:05,359
contract um particular individuals or

1256
00:52:10,150 --> 00:52:08,319
universities to look at a study and you

1257
00:52:12,549 --> 00:52:10,160
know supposedly take it really seriously

1258
00:52:14,549 --> 00:52:12,559
with the best that we had to offer

1259
00:52:16,309 --> 00:52:14,559
um and what they wound up doing was

1260
00:52:19,190 --> 00:52:16,319
grabbing these

1261
00:52:21,750 --> 00:52:19,200
a few people which included a general

1262
00:52:22,950 --> 00:52:21,760
electric uh rain corporation people from

1263
00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:22,960
that company

1264
00:52:27,910 --> 00:52:25,680
um and others or lansky i want to say

1265
00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:27,920
jesse orlanski or something

1266
00:52:31,510 --> 00:52:30,000
to form like a

1267
00:52:34,390 --> 00:52:31,520
ad hoc committee

1268
00:52:37,510 --> 00:52:34,400
um to review the blue book work

1269
00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:37,520
basically and review all the flying

1270
00:52:42,069 --> 00:52:39,200
saucer stuff

1271
00:52:47,030 --> 00:52:45,349
shortly after that it turned into the

1272
00:52:49,589 --> 00:52:47,040
you know the content situation in the

1273
00:52:52,309 --> 00:52:49,599
university of colorado studying it

1274
00:52:54,309 --> 00:52:52,319
um if if i have that correctly but yeah

1275
00:52:55,990 --> 00:52:54,319
so when i saw that i was

1276
00:52:58,710 --> 00:52:56,000
you know only been doing this for about

1277
00:53:01,109 --> 00:52:58,720
six months or so i don't really know if

1278
00:53:03,990 --> 00:53:01,119
um people know a lot of stuff or not

1279
00:53:05,030 --> 00:53:04,000
that i find you know so i had asked you

1280
00:53:07,829 --> 00:53:05,040
i was like

1281
00:53:10,950 --> 00:53:07,839
do you know if carl sagan was officially

1282
00:53:12,950 --> 00:53:10,960
studying ufos or not for the government

1283
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:12,960
and um you know

1284
00:53:17,109 --> 00:53:14,880
figured it was still a rumor so i was

1285
00:53:18,470 --> 00:53:17,119
like wow yeah so i wanted to share that

1286
00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:18,480
but and then

1287
00:53:22,390 --> 00:53:19,520
um

1288
00:53:24,790 --> 00:53:22,400
mr bob here shared a pretty cool story

1289
00:53:26,470 --> 00:53:24,800
on twitter about uh briefing the guy i

1290
00:53:29,190 --> 00:53:26,480
think i think what we want to do is give

1291
00:53:31,510 --> 00:53:29,200
the context and then let me tell you

1292
00:53:32,470 --> 00:53:31,520
because it had nothing to do

1293
00:53:34,630 --> 00:53:32,480
with

1294
00:53:37,829 --> 00:53:34,640
ufos per se

1295
00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:37,839
but it had everything to do with seti

1296
00:53:41,829 --> 00:53:38,800
okay

1297
00:53:43,670 --> 00:53:41,839
so in the second term i believe of the

1298
00:53:46,870 --> 00:53:43,680
bill clinton presidency

1299
00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:46,880
he gave put out an executive order that

1300
00:53:51,910 --> 00:53:49,680
said things that had been classified

1301
00:53:54,870 --> 00:53:51,920
were about to be unclassified and the

1302
00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:54,880
government was to attempt to do transfer

1303
00:53:58,470 --> 00:53:57,520
of technology to anybody that could use

1304
00:53:59,829 --> 00:53:58,480
it

1305
00:54:02,230 --> 00:53:59,839
okay so

1306
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:02,240
i got this call one day from k

1307
00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:04,079
speyerman's office

1308
00:54:08,069 --> 00:54:06,000
when he was the chief scientist at the

1309
00:54:11,670 --> 00:54:08,079
national security agency

1310
00:54:13,750 --> 00:54:11,680
and i was told to be prepared to tell

1311
00:54:16,069 --> 00:54:13,760
them about two things

1312
00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:16,079
one was work to one was work i had done

1313
00:54:20,710 --> 00:54:18,240
for the government and one was work i

1314
00:54:22,870 --> 00:54:20,720
had done because i wanted to do some

1315
00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:22,880
science work and

1316
00:54:27,270 --> 00:54:25,680
both of them are interesting okay so

1317
00:54:29,990 --> 00:54:27,280
i i

1318
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:30,000
get prepared and i go down to k

1319
00:54:35,589 --> 00:54:31,760
spiermann's office

1320
00:54:37,829 --> 00:54:35,599
and i walk into a room full of city

1321
00:54:39,510 --> 00:54:37,839
people

1322
00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:39,520
carl sagan

1323
00:54:45,670 --> 00:54:42,960
uh jill tarter a bunch of others okay uh

1324
00:54:48,230 --> 00:54:45,680
barney uh barney oliver wasn't there but

1325
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:48,240
uh david horowitz was there and so forth

1326
00:54:51,750 --> 00:54:50,160
and so let me that's enough name

1327
00:54:53,349 --> 00:54:51,760
dropping so let's let me talk about

1328
00:54:54,470 --> 00:54:53,359
what's relevant

1329
00:54:55,829 --> 00:54:54,480
i

1330
00:54:57,549 --> 00:54:55,839
had

1331
00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:57,559
secretly

1332
00:55:01,910 --> 00:54:59,520
demodulated

1333
00:55:05,270 --> 00:55:01,920
four transmissions

1334
00:55:08,950 --> 00:55:05,280
from the russian balloon probe

1335
00:55:10,710 --> 00:55:08,960
which fell into the atmosphere of venus

1336
00:55:13,750 --> 00:55:10,720
as they flew by

1337
00:55:16,230 --> 00:55:13,760
on their way to halley's comet

1338
00:55:18,390 --> 00:55:16,240
now the way the balloon probe worked is

1339
00:55:21,670 --> 00:55:18,400
it was a helium-filled balloon

1340
00:55:23,910 --> 00:55:21,680
and hanging down on a long tether was a

1341
00:55:25,430 --> 00:55:23,920
gondola with all the scientific

1342
00:55:28,309 --> 00:55:25,440
instruments in it

1343
00:55:31,270 --> 00:55:28,319
the way it worked is it was trust to

1344
00:55:33,430 --> 00:55:31,280
maintain itself up in the cloud layer of

1345
00:55:36,470 --> 00:55:33,440
the atmosphere of venus so that we could

1346
00:55:38,950 --> 00:55:36,480
get data about the venusian atmosphere

1347
00:55:41,190 --> 00:55:38,960
so i mean it's absolutely brilliant and

1348
00:55:42,069 --> 00:55:41,200
the french participate and so forth

1349
00:55:43,750 --> 00:55:42,079
but

1350
00:55:45,829 --> 00:55:43,760
there was

1351
00:55:46,829 --> 00:55:45,839
an honest mistake made

1352
00:55:57,270 --> 00:55:46,839
in

1353
00:55:59,589 --> 00:55:57,280
the way it worked was temperature so if

1354
00:56:02,549 --> 00:55:59,599
it got too hot it was too low

1355
00:56:04,710 --> 00:56:02,559
go up if it got too cold it was too high

1356
00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:04,720
go down so they sat there and they did

1357
00:56:09,750 --> 00:56:07,440
this in the atmosphere while it lasted

1358
00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:09,760
while the batteries lasted the first

1359
00:56:14,309 --> 00:56:11,760
time they flew in

1360
00:56:17,990 --> 00:56:14,319
the balloon expanded the gondola dropped

1361
00:56:20,710 --> 00:56:18,000
down but it went much too deep before

1362
00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:20,720
the thermometer got hot enough

1363
00:56:25,589 --> 00:56:23,520
and so it got down and i mean it came

1364
00:56:29,109 --> 00:56:25,599
that close to getting killed the

1365
00:56:31,829 --> 00:56:29,119
gondolas were swinging like crazy like a

1366
00:56:34,470 --> 00:56:31,839
huge pendulum and the winds were

1367
00:56:36,789 --> 00:56:34,480
hundreds of miles an hour and

1368
00:56:38,950 --> 00:56:36,799
but finally they got about it so once it

1369
00:56:40,710 --> 00:56:38,960
got up in and out of all that craziness

1370
00:56:42,870 --> 00:56:40,720
they got all those transmissions and

1371
00:56:45,589 --> 00:56:42,880
they knew the thing worked but what they

1372
00:56:47,910 --> 00:56:45,599
really wanted was those transmissions

1373
00:56:49,349 --> 00:56:47,920
when it went so deep they they figured

1374
00:56:50,870 --> 00:56:49,359
they would never be able to survive

1375
00:56:53,990 --> 00:56:50,880
there so they didn't even try to go

1376
00:56:57,430 --> 00:56:54,000
there they got there by happenstance

1377
00:57:00,390 --> 00:56:57,440
so i had graduated with

1378
00:57:01,589 --> 00:57:00,400
my phd in a technique called non-linear

1379
00:57:05,190 --> 00:57:01,599
filtering

1380
00:57:08,069 --> 00:57:05,200
and the kind of carrier tracking

1381
00:57:10,950 --> 00:57:08,079
that needed to be done on the signal

1382
00:57:14,630 --> 00:57:10,960
from that balloon probe needed my phd

1383
00:57:17,430 --> 00:57:14,640
work so i applied the phd work

1384
00:57:20,230 --> 00:57:17,440
on cray supercomputers

1385
00:57:22,470 --> 00:57:20,240
owned by the national security agency

1386
00:57:23,270 --> 00:57:22,480
and demodulated the signal

1387
00:57:25,270 --> 00:57:23,280
so

1388
00:57:27,670 --> 00:57:25,280
we told the people

1389
00:57:29,589 --> 00:57:27,680
at the jet propulsion laboratory

1390
00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:29,599
that we had managed to demodulate the

1391
00:57:34,150 --> 00:57:31,920
signals i had the partner she did the

1392
00:57:36,710 --> 00:57:34,160
the the ford air correction decoding and

1393
00:57:39,190 --> 00:57:36,720
i did the demodulation of the signal and

1394
00:57:41,829 --> 00:57:39,200
we knew we knew instantly we had

1395
00:57:43,589 --> 00:57:41,839
succeeded okay so i mean the signal was

1396
00:57:45,510 --> 00:57:43,599
just all over the place and all of a

1397
00:57:47,349 --> 00:57:45,520
sudden we had it in a straight line and

1398
00:57:49,270 --> 00:57:47,359
the data signals were there and we could

1399
00:57:51,829 --> 00:57:49,280
find the data okay so

1400
00:57:54,230 --> 00:57:51,839
we we so we were told

1401
00:57:57,030 --> 00:57:54,240
okay here's what we want you to do this

1402
00:57:59,990 --> 00:57:57,040
story's so great we want you to go

1403
00:58:02,150 --> 00:58:00,000
downtown and buy a ream of paper and

1404
00:58:04,470 --> 00:58:02,160
with glove hands we want you to pull a

1405
00:58:06,950 --> 00:58:04,480
paper piece of paper from the middle of

1406
00:58:09,109 --> 00:58:06,960
the stack and we want you with hand and

1407
00:58:11,670 --> 00:58:09,119
pencil to write out the zeros and the

1408
00:58:14,390 --> 00:58:11,680
ones from the data frames that you have

1409
00:58:16,789 --> 00:58:14,400
demodulated put the data put the paper

1410
00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:16,799
with gloved hands inside of a baggie

1411
00:58:20,950 --> 00:58:18,960
with gloved hands and transport it to

1412
00:58:22,549 --> 00:58:20,960
the west coast to give it to her

1413
00:58:24,309 --> 00:58:22,559
why are they going through all this well

1414
00:58:26,789 --> 00:58:24,319
first of all they don't want anybody no

1415
00:58:28,150 --> 00:58:26,799
nsa people had demodulated the signal

1416
00:58:31,190 --> 00:58:28,160
that's number one

1417
00:58:33,030 --> 00:58:31,200
and we had lied to the soviet government

1418
00:58:34,470 --> 00:58:33,040
we told them they could use our deep

1419
00:58:37,190 --> 00:58:34,480
space network

1420
00:58:38,150 --> 00:58:37,200
but we would not record the signal and

1421
00:58:40,390 --> 00:58:38,160
we did

1422
00:58:42,390 --> 00:58:40,400
[Laughter]

1423
00:58:44,870 --> 00:58:42,400
and then so i got to demodulate these

1424
00:58:46,870 --> 00:58:44,880
signals and they got these bursts so

1425
00:58:48,630 --> 00:58:46,880
i was told to come down to k sperman's

1426
00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:48,640
office and tell a story

1427
00:58:54,630 --> 00:58:51,359
carl sagan is a volcanologist he's a

1428
00:58:56,150 --> 00:58:54,640
venusian scientist planetary scientist

1429
00:58:57,910 --> 00:58:56,160
so i told him the story about

1430
00:59:00,789 --> 00:58:57,920
demodulating the data from the balloon

1431
00:59:03,030 --> 00:59:00,799
probes and he really got went nuts i

1432
00:59:04,789 --> 00:59:03,040
mean he was just like so excited to find

1433
00:59:07,670 --> 00:59:04,799
out how that was done and that it had

1434
00:59:10,150 --> 00:59:07,680
been done and that nsa was involved and

1435
00:59:12,950 --> 00:59:10,160
so i got to interact with him a bit and

1436
00:59:14,390 --> 00:59:12,960
i noticed something that his people who

1437
00:59:15,910 --> 00:59:14,400
came with him

1438
00:59:19,510 --> 00:59:15,920
wouldn't notice

1439
00:59:23,270 --> 00:59:19,520
and i noticed because he and i had the

1440
00:59:26,069 --> 00:59:23,280
same kind of identification badge on

1441
00:59:28,710 --> 00:59:26,079
and the identification badge was green

1442
00:59:32,870 --> 00:59:28,720
border with our picture and our name on

1443
00:59:35,990 --> 00:59:32,880
it that means several things carl did

1444
00:59:38,789 --> 00:59:36,000
not have a casual relationship

1445
00:59:40,870 --> 00:59:38,799
you got to have an ongoing relationship

1446
00:59:43,750 --> 00:59:40,880
to get one of those badges

1447
00:59:44,950 --> 00:59:43,760
and the second thing is he had a ts sci

1448
00:59:47,270 --> 00:59:44,960
clearance

1449
00:59:49,589 --> 00:59:47,280
and that meant he was cleared to know he

1450
00:59:51,910 --> 00:59:49,599
may not know but he was cleared to be

1451
00:59:53,510 --> 00:59:51,920
made known if he had found if they found

1452
00:59:56,549 --> 00:59:53,520
he had a need to know

1453
00:59:58,870 --> 00:59:56,559
really highly classified stuff so no

1454
01:00:01,750 --> 00:59:58,880
classified material was discussed in

1455
01:00:02,549 --> 01:00:01,760
this meeting it was me as me doing this

1456
01:00:04,549 --> 01:00:02,559
so

1457
01:00:06,789 --> 01:00:04,559
at the end of this we all go around well

1458
01:00:08,630 --> 01:00:06,799
i tell about another thing

1459
01:00:12,390 --> 01:00:08,640
it's all about working on

1460
01:00:15,270 --> 01:00:12,400
uh a optical instrument that you could

1461
01:00:17,349 --> 01:00:15,280
do a spectrum with and this optical

1462
01:00:20,069 --> 01:00:17,359
instrument would allow them to for the

1463
01:00:22,309 --> 01:00:20,079
first time ever hook it to a telescope

1464
01:00:24,549 --> 01:00:22,319
and find pulses being used for

1465
01:00:25,990 --> 01:00:24,559
communications from stars and we wanted

1466
01:00:28,230 --> 01:00:26,000
to offer that to them all right so

1467
01:00:30,069 --> 01:00:28,240
anyway i told them about the the venus

1468
01:00:33,270 --> 01:00:30,079
vega balloon probe and the the

1469
01:00:36,230 --> 01:00:33,280
demodulator and the pulses and at the

1470
01:00:37,109 --> 01:00:36,240
end i'll never forget this as long as i

1471
01:00:39,109 --> 01:00:37,119
live

1472
01:00:41,190 --> 01:00:39,119
horowitz had come from harvard's

1473
01:00:43,910 --> 01:00:41,200
smithsonian observatory

1474
01:00:45,589 --> 01:00:43,920
and he says we're getting near the end

1475
01:00:49,349 --> 01:00:45,599
and we're getting to these moments of

1476
01:00:51,270 --> 01:00:49,359
pregnant pauses and harmless says okay

1477
01:00:53,510 --> 01:00:51,280
look i'll say it because apparently no

1478
01:00:55,829 --> 01:00:53,520
one else was when you called us down

1479
01:00:58,710 --> 01:00:55,839
here we really hoped that you were going

1480
01:00:59,850 --> 01:00:58,720
to tell us about maybe even show us the

1481
01:01:01,430 --> 01:00:59,860
x-files

1482
01:01:03,510 --> 01:01:01,440
[Laughter]

1483
01:01:06,789 --> 01:01:03,520
wow

1484
01:01:09,349 --> 01:01:06,799
i tell you what i i i almost fell out of

1485
01:01:11,990 --> 01:01:09,359
my chair laughing it was so funny but

1486
01:01:15,190 --> 01:01:12,000
anyway that's my story and how i saw

1487
01:01:17,270 --> 01:01:15,200
carl sagan with a badge why he had it

1488
01:01:21,349 --> 01:01:17,280
what he did with it

1489
01:01:23,430 --> 01:01:21,359
zero knowledge but the fact of it is

1490
01:01:25,030 --> 01:01:23,440
well in those paper in the paperwork it

1491
01:01:28,470 --> 01:01:25,040
would it would lead me to believe that

1492
01:01:30,870 --> 01:01:28,480
he was contracted to do that so maybe

1493
01:01:32,390 --> 01:01:30,880
you know maybe a relationship

1494
01:01:34,230 --> 01:01:32,400
of the united states are some of the

1495
01:01:37,510 --> 01:01:34,240
most closely held secrets so you'd have

1496
01:01:40,069 --> 01:01:37,520
to have tssi to know enough about the

1497
01:01:42,069 --> 01:01:40,079
sensors to for him to say what what was

1498
01:01:44,470 --> 01:01:42,079
the deal when you know the actual

1499
01:01:47,349 --> 01:01:44,480
nitty-gritty details and see the actual

1500
01:01:49,829 --> 01:01:47,359
output these sensors you require beyond

1501
01:01:51,829 --> 01:01:49,839
top secret to get access to it

1502
01:01:53,829 --> 01:01:51,839
we have a couple more questions for you

1503
01:01:57,430 --> 01:01:53,839
do you have time i have all the time you

1504
01:02:00,789 --> 01:01:57,440
want okay uh one is a super chat i don't

1505
01:02:01,670 --> 01:02:00,799
usually uh get those so

1506
01:02:04,549 --> 01:02:01,680
i'm

1507
01:02:08,630 --> 01:02:04,559
asking it way out of uh time here but

1508
01:02:09,589 --> 01:02:08,640
he the mark brady wanted to ask you

1509
01:02:12,870 --> 01:02:09,599
um

1510
01:02:16,230 --> 01:02:12,880
what are your thoughts on john ramirez

1511
01:02:19,670 --> 01:02:16,240
so i i call some buddies and i says john

1512
01:02:21,270 --> 01:02:19,680
ramirez who he says he is and he retired

1513
01:02:23,270 --> 01:02:21,280
when he said he retired he had the

1514
01:02:25,349 --> 01:02:23,280
clearances he said he had he worked in

1515
01:02:28,150 --> 01:02:25,359
the dni and the cia

1516
01:02:30,870 --> 01:02:28,160
what else he's talking about in terms of

1517
01:02:33,190 --> 01:02:30,880
his own personal experiences why he's

1518
01:02:35,190 --> 01:02:33,200
doing why he is an experiencer and why

1519
01:02:37,910 --> 01:02:35,200
he's doing this i don't have access to

1520
01:02:39,510 --> 01:02:37,920
that and i never worked with john uh so

1521
01:02:40,870 --> 01:02:39,520
it's not that big community but it's big

1522
01:02:43,589 --> 01:02:40,880
enough that there's lots of people you

1523
01:02:45,190 --> 01:02:43,599
don't know but what i can say is he was

1524
01:02:48,710 --> 01:02:45,200
a cia

1525
01:02:51,109 --> 01:02:48,720
officer and he worked in dni's office

1526
01:02:54,230 --> 01:02:51,119
so uh that means he's post

1527
01:02:57,990 --> 01:02:54,240
george uh george w bush because that's

1528
01:02:59,829 --> 01:02:58,000
when dni came into being and uh

1529
01:03:02,390 --> 01:02:59,839
he's you know he he

1530
01:03:04,549 --> 01:03:02,400
i the the thing that people real the

1531
01:03:06,710 --> 01:03:04,559
thing to pay attention to is we can go

1532
01:03:09,349 --> 01:03:06,720
out and find lots of experiences i can

1533
01:03:11,270 --> 01:03:09,359
call up melinda leslie anytime i want to

1534
01:03:14,390 --> 01:03:11,280
and talk about all sorts of experiences

1535
01:03:17,029 --> 01:03:14,400
or dave scott okay or or samantha moet

1536
01:03:19,190 --> 01:03:17,039
okay but the experiences are interesting

1537
01:03:21,349 --> 01:03:19,200
and they give you an explanation of why

1538
01:03:24,789 --> 01:03:21,359
he's doing this the thing that he is

1539
01:03:26,150 --> 01:03:24,799
telling everyone is how the government

1540
01:03:30,230 --> 01:03:26,160
works

1541
01:03:32,870 --> 01:03:30,240
why people are targeting their i

1542
01:03:35,349 --> 01:03:32,880
to the wrong offices

1543
01:03:36,630 --> 01:03:35,359
i mean he's just amazing so he is he's

1544
01:03:38,950 --> 01:03:36,640
telling people

1545
01:03:40,630 --> 01:03:38,960
people have utterly neglected like for

1546
01:03:43,029 --> 01:03:40,640
example

1547
01:03:46,470 --> 01:03:43,039
people have uttered and neglected

1548
01:03:47,910 --> 01:03:46,480
in dia they've always gone after the cia

1549
01:03:50,710 --> 01:03:47,920
like it was the holy grail for

1550
01:03:53,029 --> 01:03:50,720
everything and they don't understand the

1551
01:03:55,910 --> 01:03:53,039
division of labor

1552
01:03:58,230 --> 01:03:55,920
that is the united states government and

1553
01:04:00,549 --> 01:03:58,240
each one has its own collection of

1554
01:04:03,029 --> 01:04:00,559
experts and those collection of experts

1555
01:04:06,069 --> 01:04:03,039
are in the construction

1556
01:04:06,950 --> 01:04:06,079
and analysis of the sensor data they

1557
01:04:07,750 --> 01:04:06,960
need

1558
01:04:12,789 --> 01:04:07,760
the

1559
01:04:14,789 --> 01:04:12,799
multi-spectral intelligence

1560
01:04:17,430 --> 01:04:14,799
and so forth and

1561
01:04:19,829 --> 01:04:17,440
that's all sorts of things that are in

1562
01:04:22,630 --> 01:04:19,839
the sensors i propose we build

1563
01:04:24,470 --> 01:04:22,640
and that's all done by dia

1564
01:04:27,430 --> 01:04:24,480
don't bother the cia about they might

1565
01:04:29,670 --> 01:04:27,440
use it but the dia runs that stuff i've

1566
01:04:32,309 --> 01:04:29,680
learned a lot from him but uh most

1567
01:04:33,270 --> 01:04:32,319
especially about satellites

1568
01:04:35,109 --> 01:04:33,280
like

1569
01:04:38,710 --> 01:04:35,119
the the one that supposedly picked up

1570
01:04:44,630 --> 01:04:38,720
orbs i figured was a kh-11 i think block

1571
01:04:47,190 --> 01:04:44,640
three foreign is an older overhead spy

1572
01:04:49,990 --> 01:04:47,200
can we can i tell you what a kh-11 is

1573
01:04:51,750 --> 01:04:50,000
hell yeah it's a hubble space telescope

1574
01:04:54,549 --> 01:04:51,760
pointed down

1575
01:04:56,630 --> 01:04:54,559
that's exactly what it looks like and a

1576
01:04:58,789 --> 01:04:56,640
thing you may not know which i'm happy

1577
01:04:59,910 --> 01:04:58,799
to tell since it's known people can go

1578
01:05:00,630 --> 01:04:59,920
check me if they don't want to believe

1579
01:05:02,789 --> 01:05:00,640
me

1580
01:05:05,029 --> 01:05:02,799
the national reconnaissance office gave

1581
01:05:09,190 --> 01:05:05,039
three of them at the end of their useful

1582
01:05:11,190 --> 01:05:09,200
lifetime to them to nasa

1583
01:05:13,349 --> 01:05:11,200
interesting yeah and i don't know what

1584
01:05:15,029 --> 01:05:13,359
if anything they will ever do with it

1585
01:05:17,910 --> 01:05:15,039
because it won't have the instrument

1586
01:05:20,470 --> 01:05:17,920
packages that the astronomers will want

1587
01:05:23,029 --> 01:05:20,480
like the spectrograph and other things

1588
01:05:25,029 --> 01:05:23,039
so we'll just see

1589
01:05:28,150 --> 01:05:25,039
now when you say that they were given

1590
01:05:29,670 --> 01:05:28,160
three are they up yeah are they uh

1591
01:05:31,430 --> 01:05:29,680
they're in orbit they're no longer

1592
01:05:33,750 --> 01:05:31,440
useful for for the national

1593
01:05:36,230 --> 01:05:33,760
reconnaissance office because it

1594
01:05:38,069 --> 01:05:36,240
seemingly has replaced them with other

1595
01:05:40,230 --> 01:05:38,079
things

1596
01:05:42,069 --> 01:05:40,240
so now and they don't need them anymore

1597
01:05:44,549 --> 01:05:42,079
and they're there to do whatever's

1598
01:05:45,589 --> 01:05:44,559
needed and now they're belong to nasa

1599
01:05:47,430 --> 01:05:45,599
and that's going to do with them what

1600
01:05:50,150 --> 01:05:47,440
they want to i guess i don't know maybe

1601
01:05:52,309 --> 01:05:50,160
they didn't do anything i don't know do

1602
01:05:54,069 --> 01:05:52,319
you know if they're still pointed down

1603
01:05:56,230 --> 01:05:54,079
i have no idea

1604
01:05:59,109 --> 01:05:56,240
i don't have any insight into their

1605
01:06:01,829 --> 01:05:59,119
operational uh things right now i don't

1606
01:06:03,750 --> 01:06:01,839
know no idea but i know nro gave them to

1607
01:06:05,589 --> 01:06:03,760
them

1608
01:06:07,190 --> 01:06:05,599
i've got i've got two more questions i

1609
01:06:09,589 --> 01:06:07,200
don't know about sean but we don't want

1610
01:06:10,870 --> 01:06:09,599
to keep you forever no no keep going i'm

1611
01:06:12,390 --> 01:06:10,880
fine

1612
01:06:15,109 --> 01:06:12,400
okay um

1613
01:06:16,950 --> 01:06:15,119
i uh one thing is you just mentioned

1614
01:06:19,190 --> 01:06:16,960
melinda leslie and i know that you just

1615
01:06:20,630 --> 01:06:19,200
took um and we were talking about this

1616
01:06:22,470 --> 01:06:20,640
earlier so i just wanted to follow up on

1617
01:06:24,230 --> 01:06:22,480
this i know you took a trip out to

1618
01:06:26,470 --> 01:06:24,240
arizona recently

1619
01:06:28,069 --> 01:06:26,480
and that you had a bit of a personal

1620
01:06:30,069 --> 01:06:28,079
mission invested in that can you tell us

1621
01:06:32,309 --> 01:06:30,079
a little bit about that sure so i wanted

1622
01:06:34,069 --> 01:06:32,319
to put skyhub out there but skyhub did

1623
01:06:37,190 --> 01:06:34,079
his thing and did it then went and then

1624
01:06:41,349 --> 01:06:37,200
sky 60 has taken over so i want to take

1625
01:06:42,630 --> 01:06:41,359
my equipment operated in the sky 60

1626
01:06:44,829 --> 01:06:42,640
operation

1627
01:06:48,870 --> 01:06:44,839
and i have now secured

1628
01:06:52,069 --> 01:06:48,880
permission to put it on a facility

1629
01:06:53,910 --> 01:06:52,079
that is close to where melinda does her

1630
01:06:56,630 --> 01:06:53,920
ufo tours

1631
01:06:58,710 --> 01:06:56,640
and so it's going to have you know video

1632
01:07:02,230 --> 01:06:58,720
other sensors and

1633
01:07:04,630 --> 01:07:02,240
i'm and it's a hundred feet

1634
01:07:06,230 --> 01:07:04,640
from where one of her competitors has

1635
01:07:09,829 --> 01:07:06,240
his tours

1636
01:07:11,109 --> 01:07:09,839
so uh it's just stuff happens like crazy

1637
01:07:13,190 --> 01:07:11,119
out in sedona

1638
01:07:14,789 --> 01:07:13,200
so we went out to this ranch i think

1639
01:07:16,549 --> 01:07:14,799
it's called the douglas ranch i'm not

1640
01:07:18,390 --> 01:07:16,559
exactly sure i think that's the name

1641
01:07:19,190 --> 01:07:18,400
anyway we went out to this ranch with

1642
01:07:21,670 --> 01:07:19,200
her

1643
01:07:23,430 --> 01:07:21,680
because we had cloudy nights but except

1644
01:07:25,029 --> 01:07:23,440
for a short period of time but anyway we

1645
01:07:27,190 --> 01:07:25,039
had cloudy nights so we really couldn't

1646
01:07:29,109 --> 01:07:27,200
do the kind of observation she normally

1647
01:07:30,710 --> 01:07:29,119
well went out to this ranch

1648
01:07:33,670 --> 01:07:30,720
and it's abandoned

1649
01:07:36,789 --> 01:07:33,680
and apparently the local

1650
01:07:38,870 --> 01:07:36,799
people kind of that run sedona

1651
01:07:40,549 --> 01:07:38,880
got tired of all the weird stuff that

1652
01:07:42,230 --> 01:07:40,559
was going on out there and they kind of

1653
01:07:43,750 --> 01:07:42,240
forced the people off they were they

1654
01:07:46,950 --> 01:07:43,760
would have left them out there forever

1655
01:07:47,990 --> 01:07:46,960
if they were not doing paranormal usa uh

1656
01:07:49,750 --> 01:07:48,000
but apparently they didn't want

1657
01:07:51,990 --> 01:07:49,760
skinwalker ranch right in the middle of

1658
01:07:52,950 --> 01:07:52,000
sedona so we went out there

1659
01:07:55,829 --> 01:07:52,960
so

1660
01:07:57,990 --> 01:07:55,839
we i saw these places where these really

1661
01:08:00,630 --> 01:07:58,000
heavy cows had walked you tell their

1662
01:08:03,990 --> 01:08:00,640
clothed feet and how deep they go into

1663
01:08:06,390 --> 01:08:04,000
the sand and then i saw

1664
01:08:08,309 --> 01:08:06,400
footprints that were over a feet long

1665
01:08:10,390 --> 01:08:08,319
over a foot long

1666
01:08:13,109 --> 01:08:10,400
two to three times as deep as the cow

1667
01:08:15,430 --> 01:08:13,119
prince with a seven foot gate

1668
01:08:17,910 --> 01:08:15,440
okay that's the first time i've ever

1669
01:08:19,749 --> 01:08:17,920
seen that so we were walking out toward

1670
01:08:21,349 --> 01:08:19,759
the edge of the property because there

1671
01:08:24,070 --> 01:08:21,359
are many

1672
01:08:25,030 --> 01:08:24,080
famous westerns that were filmed on that

1673
01:08:26,950 --> 01:08:25,040
ranch

1674
01:08:29,030 --> 01:08:26,960
so we were going to go trying the rem

1675
01:08:31,669 --> 01:08:29,040
the ghost town of the sets for some of

1676
01:08:32,390 --> 01:08:31,679
those western movies so we were walking

1677
01:08:35,590 --> 01:08:32,400
out

1678
01:08:38,149 --> 01:08:35,600
and melinda said oh i'm feeling it

1679
01:08:39,590 --> 01:08:38,159
something energy field or electricity my

1680
01:08:40,870 --> 01:08:39,600
body is being

1681
01:08:42,789 --> 01:08:40,880
i feel it

1682
01:08:45,749 --> 01:08:42,799
so i looked up and there was this old

1683
01:08:47,669 --> 01:08:45,759
house out on the

1684
01:08:50,309 --> 01:08:47,679
southern end of the southeastern end of

1685
01:08:53,269 --> 01:08:50,319
the property and i was looked i looked

1686
01:08:56,390 --> 01:08:53,279
inside what were broken windows

1687
01:08:58,789 --> 01:08:56,400
and i saw as clear as day

1688
01:09:00,870 --> 01:08:58,799
at three o'clock in the afternoon a

1689
01:09:02,470 --> 01:09:00,880
shadow person walk

1690
01:09:05,110 --> 01:09:02,480
behind the windows

1691
01:09:07,590 --> 01:09:05,120
it was as clear as it could be

1692
01:09:09,590 --> 01:09:07,600
so i went melinda that's i saw a shadow

1693
01:09:11,749 --> 01:09:09,600
person and she says this sarah says no

1694
01:09:13,110 --> 01:09:11,759
it's gone she says yeah i can tell

1695
01:09:14,550 --> 01:09:13,120
because i stopped feeling this

1696
01:09:16,470 --> 01:09:14,560
electricity

1697
01:09:18,789 --> 01:09:16,480
so i mean that was a weird experience

1698
01:09:20,550 --> 01:09:18,799
and seeing these massive footprints with

1699
01:09:23,430 --> 01:09:20,560
a selling foot gate with another big

1700
01:09:26,789 --> 01:09:23,440
deal and i could tell from the depth of

1701
01:09:27,990 --> 01:09:26,799
the depression it was much heavier than

1702
01:09:29,269 --> 01:09:28,000
the cows

1703
01:09:31,110 --> 01:09:29,279
would you

1704
01:09:33,349 --> 01:09:31,120
recognize it if you saw it again they

1705
01:09:35,910 --> 01:09:33,359
call lady they call it lady something or

1706
01:09:37,990 --> 01:09:35,920
other she says oh yeah everybody knows

1707
01:09:40,229 --> 01:09:38,000
that bigfoot is out here it's a lady

1708
01:09:43,269 --> 01:09:40,239
something or other and she says it's

1709
01:09:45,269 --> 01:09:43,279
well known and that i and that i had no

1710
01:09:47,030 --> 01:09:45,279
one had told me this i just happened to

1711
01:09:48,709 --> 01:09:47,040
see these footprints

1712
01:09:51,349 --> 01:09:48,719
would you recognize them if you saw them

1713
01:09:53,510 --> 01:09:51,359
again oh yeah

1714
01:09:56,470 --> 01:09:53,520
is that it

1715
01:09:58,310 --> 01:09:56,480
that resembles it yeah it's long and and

1716
01:10:00,550 --> 01:09:58,320
very deep

1717
01:10:02,470 --> 01:10:00,560
yes that that's more like it

1718
01:10:04,709 --> 01:10:02,480
well that's more like it

1719
01:10:08,550 --> 01:10:04,719
long and deep but it was annually it was

1720
01:10:10,790 --> 01:10:08,560
the sand was softer so it was deeper and

1721
01:10:13,030 --> 01:10:10,800
so some of the sides have caved in but

1722
01:10:15,830 --> 01:10:13,040
let me tell you this it had not been out

1723
01:10:18,390 --> 01:10:15,840
there long and weathered these were

1724
01:10:20,790 --> 01:10:18,400
fresh i'd say well under a month old

1725
01:10:22,790 --> 01:10:20,800
footprints because the winds blow and

1726
01:10:27,110 --> 01:10:22,800
the sand would have blown in

1727
01:10:32,070 --> 01:10:27,990
yeah

1728
01:10:34,950 --> 01:10:32,080
i found those in the old blue book file

1729
01:10:36,630 --> 01:10:34,960
interesting i believe

1730
01:10:38,229 --> 01:10:36,640
yeah and it's also really interesting

1731
01:10:39,590 --> 01:10:38,239
that you're saying that uh that the

1732
01:10:41,830 --> 01:10:39,600
sedona

1733
01:10:43,910 --> 01:10:41,840
what the like the officials or whatever

1734
01:10:45,669 --> 01:10:43,920
you wanna like don't want it to become a

1735
01:10:47,510 --> 01:10:45,679
skinwalker or ranch right now this is

1736
01:10:49,590 --> 01:10:47,520
better we're still trying trying to turn

1737
01:10:51,510 --> 01:10:49,600
it into this major tourist place which

1738
01:10:54,149 --> 01:10:51,520
is definitely what it is now

1739
01:10:56,550 --> 01:10:54,159
expensive restaurants right five-star

1740
01:10:58,790 --> 01:10:56,560
hotels that cost hundreds to a thousand

1741
01:11:00,550 --> 01:10:58,800
dollars a night all sorts of famous

1742
01:11:02,550 --> 01:11:00,560
people living in the area and the

1743
01:11:03,669 --> 01:11:02,560
chamber of commerce didn't want to drive

1744
01:11:06,390 --> 01:11:03,679
them off

1745
01:11:08,390 --> 01:11:06,400
well now well things have changed let me

1746
01:11:10,470 --> 01:11:08,400
tell you why things have changed

1747
01:11:12,630 --> 01:11:10,480
things have changed how do i know that

1748
01:11:15,430 --> 01:11:12,640
the person who has given me

1749
01:11:19,390 --> 01:11:15,440
access to the building to put the censor

1750
01:11:21,750 --> 01:11:19,400
is the head of the chamber of commerce

1751
01:11:24,390 --> 01:11:21,760
[Music]

1752
01:11:26,550 --> 01:11:24,400
there you go it's gonna be safe and we

1753
01:11:27,910 --> 01:11:26,560
did the right thing melinda hooked me up

1754
01:11:29,830 --> 01:11:27,920
big time

1755
01:11:31,430 --> 01:11:29,840
awesome yeah i got to get in touch with

1756
01:11:33,270 --> 01:11:31,440
her to get to get on this show we were

1757
01:11:34,229 --> 01:11:33,280
trying to make that happen yeah she'll

1758
01:11:41,590 --> 01:11:34,239
she

1759
01:11:43,110 --> 01:11:41,600
amazing

1760
01:11:45,350 --> 01:11:43,120
that's good to hear you guys like taking

1761
01:11:47,189 --> 01:11:45,360
the portal energy out of sedona it's

1762
01:11:48,790 --> 01:11:47,199
like it's like taking the beans out of a

1763
01:11:50,149 --> 01:11:48,800
burrito you can do it but i don't know

1764
01:11:52,310 --> 01:11:50,159
if it's a burrito anymore you know what

1765
01:11:54,709 --> 01:11:52,320
i mean

1766
01:11:57,270 --> 01:11:54,719
they failed

1767
01:11:59,510 --> 01:11:57,280
because there's these ufo tours run by

1768
01:12:01,590 --> 01:11:59,520
multiple people and all of them all of

1769
01:12:04,709 --> 01:12:01,600
them are successful

1770
01:12:06,790 --> 01:12:04,719
well that yeah and actually be going

1771
01:12:09,910 --> 01:12:06,800
backwards a little bit john marina says

1772
01:12:10,630 --> 01:12:09,920
you know that's uh ramirez that's where

1773
01:12:16,790 --> 01:12:10,640
he

1774
01:12:18,709 --> 01:12:16,800
active place yep

1775
01:12:20,070 --> 01:12:18,719
yeah that's why that's what i want to be

1776
01:12:21,189 --> 01:12:20,080
that's my first

1777
01:12:22,790 --> 01:12:21,199
sensor

1778
01:12:23,669 --> 01:12:22,800
not at home

1779
01:12:25,270 --> 01:12:23,679
yeah

1780
01:12:26,390 --> 01:12:25,280
uh i should definitely get one over my

1781
01:12:26,890 --> 01:12:26,400
home because that's where i see

1782
01:12:29,910 --> 01:12:26,900
everything

1783
01:12:32,950 --> 01:12:29,920
[Laughter]

1784
01:12:35,590 --> 01:12:32,960
go ahead i got one more question if

1785
01:12:38,390 --> 01:12:35,600
if we're good for it um that's all right

1786
01:12:40,470 --> 01:12:38,400
um you know i i remember talking with

1787
01:12:42,630 --> 01:12:40,480
you a while ago about um like don

1788
01:12:45,590 --> 01:12:42,640
hoffman the case against reality folks

1789
01:12:46,550 --> 01:12:45,600
like that yes um and i was just and and

1790
01:12:48,790 --> 01:12:46,560
i know

1791
01:12:51,669 --> 01:12:48,800
those ideas get to get you pretty jazzed

1792
01:12:53,350 --> 01:12:51,679
and they get end the same is true for me

1793
01:12:55,990 --> 01:12:53,360
and i kind of want to wrap that into a

1794
01:12:57,110 --> 01:12:56,000
bigger question just to just to let let

1795
01:12:59,110 --> 01:12:57,120
you go

1796
01:13:01,430 --> 01:12:59,120
you know um

1797
01:13:04,149 --> 01:13:01,440
who are a few outside the box people

1798
01:13:07,030 --> 01:13:04,159
like not the usual suspects of like

1799
01:13:09,270 --> 01:13:07,040
belay or the lorenzens or dolan or

1800
01:13:11,270 --> 01:13:09,280
whoever who would you recommend people

1801
01:13:13,590 --> 01:13:11,280
in this field read

1802
01:13:15,750 --> 01:13:13,600
you know within ufology anomalous

1803
01:13:18,149 --> 01:13:15,760
studies in general who would who would

1804
01:13:20,070 --> 01:13:18,159
you recommend people look at as kind of

1805
01:13:22,310 --> 01:13:20,080
a crash course to having a bigger or

1806
01:13:25,430 --> 01:13:22,320
better or more well-informed perspective

1807
01:13:27,510 --> 01:13:25,440
in terms of these big mysteries

1808
01:13:29,830 --> 01:13:27,520
okay so

1809
01:13:31,830 --> 01:13:29,840
you definitely want to read hoffman

1810
01:13:33,510 --> 01:13:31,840
and the reason you want to read hofmann

1811
01:13:36,470 --> 01:13:33,520
is it's

1812
01:13:39,430 --> 01:13:36,480
it's critically important

1813
01:13:41,669 --> 01:13:39,440
for people to understand

1814
01:13:43,510 --> 01:13:41,679
that

1815
01:13:45,550 --> 01:13:43,520
we know

1816
01:13:48,149 --> 01:13:45,560
for a fact

1817
01:13:50,070 --> 01:13:48,159
completely concluded

1818
01:13:54,390 --> 01:13:50,080
that evolution

1819
01:13:56,790 --> 01:13:54,400
has chosen our senses to fool us

1820
01:14:00,709 --> 01:13:56,800
we do not perceive

1821
01:14:03,510 --> 01:14:00,719
reality as it is and it they've proven

1822
01:14:06,870 --> 01:14:03,520
that any entity that sees objective

1823
01:14:09,189 --> 01:14:06,880
reality is selected against by the

1824
01:14:10,790 --> 01:14:09,199
underlying theory of evolution

1825
01:14:12,950 --> 01:14:10,800
so

1826
01:14:15,430 --> 01:14:12,960
evolution is the driver

1827
01:14:19,030 --> 01:14:15,440
and what happens in evolution is

1828
01:14:22,229 --> 01:14:19,040
the the the sensors and the perceptions

1829
01:14:24,229 --> 01:14:22,239
from those sensors this the feelings the

1830
01:14:27,110 --> 01:14:24,239
odors other perceptions that you get

1831
01:14:30,390 --> 01:14:27,120
from our sensors are the ones that help

1832
01:14:32,790 --> 01:14:30,400
us survive the best because that's what

1833
01:14:35,830 --> 01:14:32,800
wins the game of evolution

1834
01:14:36,950 --> 01:14:35,840
not reality whatever helps you survive

1835
01:14:38,550 --> 01:14:36,960
the best

1836
01:14:42,310 --> 01:14:38,560
okay so

1837
01:14:45,110 --> 01:14:42,320
i want everyone to read hoffman's case

1838
01:14:47,270 --> 01:14:45,120
the case against reality stuff i mean

1839
01:14:50,470 --> 01:14:47,280
i'm not expecting you to get the math

1840
01:14:52,229 --> 01:14:50,480
but he does a pretty good explication of

1841
01:14:54,310 --> 01:14:52,239
why the math

1842
01:14:57,270 --> 01:14:54,320
says what it says

1843
01:14:59,430 --> 01:14:57,280
and he's his viewpoint is

1844
01:15:03,110 --> 01:14:59,440
that our

1845
01:15:06,790 --> 01:15:03,120
sensory system and our perceptions are

1846
01:15:09,030 --> 01:15:06,800
like the desktop on our laptop

1847
01:15:11,270 --> 01:15:09,040
we see a bunch of icons that we can

1848
01:15:15,350 --> 01:15:11,280
click on and we hear a bunch of stuff

1849
01:15:17,830 --> 01:15:15,360
but if i if i click on jay and sean here

1850
01:15:20,630 --> 01:15:17,840
in this video i'm not actually clicking

1851
01:15:23,750 --> 01:15:20,640
on them i'm clicking on a representation

1852
01:15:27,030 --> 01:15:23,760
of them that allows us to communicate

1853
01:15:28,950 --> 01:15:27,040
that is his way of discussing how our

1854
01:15:31,669 --> 01:15:28,960
perception works and how our

1855
01:15:34,550 --> 01:15:31,679
consciousness works and how evolution

1856
01:15:37,189 --> 01:15:34,560
has determined how the system works if

1857
01:15:38,870 --> 01:15:37,199
you just read one thing

1858
01:15:40,790 --> 01:15:38,880
that's important

1859
01:15:43,910 --> 01:15:40,800
uh and uh

1860
01:15:46,470 --> 01:15:43,920
anything else that goes from there great

1861
01:15:48,550 --> 01:15:46,480
but if you want want to read that

1862
01:15:50,830 --> 01:15:48,560
that would be good

1863
01:15:53,910 --> 01:15:50,840
and uh dr dr

1864
01:15:55,430 --> 01:15:53,920
davis um bob davis

1865
01:15:58,149 --> 01:15:55,440
formerly from those

1866
01:16:00,470 --> 01:15:58,159
sunni formerly from free

1867
01:16:01,750 --> 01:16:00,480
uh currently operating somewhat

1868
01:16:02,470 --> 01:16:01,760
independently

1869
01:16:04,390 --> 01:16:02,480
he

1870
01:16:07,350 --> 01:16:04,400
is an audiologist that has done all

1871
01:16:09,189 --> 01:16:07,360
sorts of interesting work and is now

1872
01:16:12,390 --> 01:16:09,199
working in consciousness i believe

1873
01:16:14,550 --> 01:16:12,400
marrying hoffman with davis right now is

1874
01:16:16,870 --> 01:16:14,560
kind of an interesting place to think

1875
01:16:20,790 --> 01:16:16,880
and work and that's what i'm doing i'm

1876
01:16:24,310 --> 01:16:20,800
in contact with davis regularly now

1877
01:16:26,149 --> 01:16:24,320
awesome thanks welcome

1878
01:16:28,709 --> 01:16:26,159
i really appreciate your time you're an

1879
01:16:30,550 --> 01:16:28,719
awesome guy you're so full no this was

1880
01:16:32,630 --> 01:16:30,560
fun plus i mean

1881
01:16:34,550 --> 01:16:32,640
jay's my jay and kirsten and stuart

1882
01:16:35,430 --> 01:16:34,560
they're my brothers and sisters so there

1883
01:16:37,350 --> 01:16:35,440
you go

1884
01:16:40,709 --> 01:16:37,360
well hopefully i'll get married into the

1885
01:16:43,669 --> 01:16:40,719
family one day we'll join the expansion

1886
01:16:45,830 --> 01:16:43,679
i am yeah yeah

1887
01:16:47,110 --> 01:16:45,840
yeah the experiencer group is amazing

1888
01:16:51,750 --> 01:16:47,120
and

1889
01:16:54,709 --> 01:16:51,760
allow

1890
01:16:56,870 --> 01:16:54,719
us to interact with them are amazing and

1891
01:16:59,189 --> 01:16:56,880
that's not the end of it once you make

1892
01:17:00,390 --> 01:16:59,199
contact in there you can continue the

1893
01:17:03,110 --> 01:17:00,400
interaction

1894
01:17:05,750 --> 01:17:03,120
i i i never thought i'd be able to have

1895
01:17:08,149 --> 01:17:05,760
regular interaction be social media

1896
01:17:09,830 --> 01:17:08,159
friends and have questions answered by

1897
01:17:12,870 --> 01:17:09,840
kathleen martin

1898
01:17:14,070 --> 01:17:12,880
i mean it was just fabulous and now uh

1899
01:17:16,310 --> 01:17:14,080
uh

1900
01:17:17,990 --> 01:17:16,320
big time newspaper reporters that might

1901
01:17:21,030 --> 01:17:18,000
work for the new york times and i

1902
01:17:23,750 --> 01:17:21,040
interact so i mean it's just amazing i

1903
01:17:25,510 --> 01:17:23,760
mean so the experiencer group if you are

1904
01:17:27,350 --> 01:17:25,520
an experiencer don't come in there

1905
01:17:30,229 --> 01:17:27,360
looking for dirt that's not what it's

1906
01:17:31,189 --> 01:17:30,239
for it's for you to interact in a safe

1907
01:17:32,550 --> 01:17:31,199
space

1908
01:17:34,790 --> 01:17:32,560
about the things that have happened to

1909
01:17:35,750 --> 01:17:34,800
you or the things you want to know about

1910
01:17:40,709 --> 01:17:35,760
yeah

1911
01:17:43,430 --> 01:17:40,719
so what with that being said mr bob

1912
01:17:47,030 --> 01:17:43,440
mcguire i do appreciate it until next

1913
01:17:49,270 --> 01:17:47,040
time um have a great day celebrate today

1914
01:17:50,470 --> 01:17:49,280
um and we'll check in with you again

1915
01:17:52,229 --> 01:17:50,480
thank you guys

1916
01:17:54,070 --> 01:17:52,239
all right thanks so much bob appreciate

1917
01:17:56,229 --> 01:17:54,080
it

1918
01:17:58,630 --> 01:17:56,239
pretty good huh

1919
01:18:00,950 --> 01:17:58,640
excellent really excellent

1920
01:18:03,990 --> 01:18:00,960
i don't really i don't re-watch uh my

1921
01:18:05,910 --> 01:18:04,000
interviews very much but i will have to

1922
01:18:07,430 --> 01:18:05,920
i'll have to re-watch this one

1923
01:18:08,790 --> 01:18:07,440
because there there's that one flew

1924
01:18:11,110 --> 01:18:08,800
right by

1925
01:18:12,950 --> 01:18:11,120
yeah for sure it did

1926
01:18:16,550 --> 01:18:12,960
um let's

1927
01:18:18,790 --> 01:18:16,560
let's go through some photos quick huh

1928
01:18:21,030 --> 01:18:18,800
do you want to

1929
01:18:22,470 --> 01:18:21,040
absolutely i'm just muting because the

1930
01:18:24,630 --> 01:18:22,480
you know jersey city is being jersey

1931
01:18:30,550 --> 01:18:24,640
city right now

1932
01:18:34,790 --> 01:18:32,950
so yeah that isn't that crazy

1933
01:18:36,950 --> 01:18:34,800
tail of it

1934
01:18:39,430 --> 01:18:36,960
yeah i love it and i love that it's just

1935
01:18:42,470 --> 01:18:39,440
and what year is this was this like 57

1936
01:18:45,350 --> 01:18:42,480
something like that 47

1937
01:18:48,310 --> 01:18:45,360
47 47 yeah

1938
01:18:50,310 --> 01:18:48,320
i love the burned in xerox look too it's

1939
01:18:51,750 --> 01:18:50,320
that is a really

1940
01:18:53,350 --> 01:18:51,760
um

1941
01:18:55,430 --> 01:18:53,360
that's

1942
01:18:57,910 --> 01:18:55,440
it's easy to fetishize some of these

1943
01:18:59,990 --> 01:18:57,920
images quite a lot that those burned and

1944
01:19:01,750 --> 01:19:00,000
blacks are beautiful that's gorgeous

1945
01:19:03,270 --> 01:19:01,760
it's kind of like we got a like a hat

1946
01:19:04,790 --> 01:19:03,280
shape there

1947
01:19:07,590 --> 01:19:04,800
and i love seeing those those like

1948
01:19:10,630 --> 01:19:07,600
plasma field kind of crap like craft or

1949
01:19:11,990 --> 01:19:10,640
uaps that's that's amazing oh

1950
01:19:16,870 --> 01:19:12,000
whoa

1951
01:19:21,590 --> 01:19:19,590
that's your diamond shape

1952
01:19:23,510 --> 01:19:21,600
that might be my that might be one of my

1953
01:19:25,030 --> 01:19:23,520
favorites there i can't like that

1954
01:19:27,430 --> 01:19:25,040
doesn't even look real to me it's so

1955
01:19:29,270 --> 01:19:27,440
it's so crisp

1956
01:19:31,110 --> 01:19:29,280
isn't that like that's kind of what i've

1957
01:19:33,430 --> 01:19:31,120
always said to about like photos or

1958
01:19:34,709 --> 01:19:33,440
video like even if it is real are you

1959
01:19:36,790 --> 01:19:34,719
gonna believe it

1960
01:19:37,750 --> 01:19:36,800
because it's gonna be so

1961
01:19:38,550 --> 01:19:37,760
you know

1962
01:19:40,709 --> 01:19:38,560
right

1963
01:19:42,390 --> 01:19:40,719
unbelievable that's a thing yeah it's

1964
01:19:44,070 --> 01:19:42,400
kind of like you know if we have the

1965
01:19:45,750 --> 01:19:44,080
current thing like luke keeps talking

1966
01:19:47,189 --> 01:19:45,760
about this like 40 minute tape that just

1967
01:19:48,790 --> 01:19:47,199
looks like sci-fi or whatever the heck

1968
01:19:50,709 --> 01:19:48,800
it is right

1969
01:19:52,870 --> 01:19:50,719
and i'm like oh my gosh

1970
01:19:54,950 --> 01:19:52,880
when's that gonna drop and and and how

1971
01:19:57,189 --> 01:19:54,960
many people are gonna be like yeah that

1972
01:20:00,229 --> 01:19:57,199
was from a movie you know

1973
01:20:02,790 --> 01:20:00,239
but this is these are beautiful

1974
01:20:03,669 --> 01:20:02,800
just beautiful they're artistic aren't

1975
01:20:05,910 --> 01:20:03,679
they

1976
01:20:08,310 --> 01:20:05,920
i love the films you really are

1977
01:20:09,330 --> 01:20:08,320
i love you in this camera yeah

1978
01:20:11,750 --> 01:20:09,340
yeah do you guys like that

1979
01:20:13,750 --> 01:20:11,760
[Music]

1980
01:20:15,590 --> 01:20:13,760
saucer landed here we better scope it up

1981
01:20:17,830 --> 01:20:15,600
measure it

1982
01:20:19,669 --> 01:20:17,840
oh man that's just that's just us in

1983
01:20:21,990 --> 01:20:19,679
another life sean that's you and me

1984
01:20:23,910 --> 01:20:22,000
getting out the tape measure love it

1985
01:20:25,750 --> 01:20:23,920
doing some dirty work

1986
01:20:29,189 --> 01:20:25,760
that's right got to get in the field

1987
01:20:33,990 --> 01:20:31,270
this one's interesting

1988
01:20:35,910 --> 01:20:34,000
oh man it's giving me like kinko's vibes

1989
01:20:39,510 --> 01:20:35,920
that whole four-up look

1990
01:20:43,830 --> 01:20:40,310
man

1991
01:20:47,350 --> 01:20:45,910
were these from the stone archive or did

1992
01:20:48,629 --> 01:20:47,360
you find these elsewhere

1993
01:20:53,189 --> 01:20:48,639
no these were

1994
01:20:58,470 --> 01:20:56,310
our archive site in um this is all blue

1995
01:21:00,629 --> 01:20:58,480
book stuff

1996
01:21:02,870 --> 01:21:00,639
so these come with like places and dates

1997
01:21:04,470 --> 01:21:02,880
and stuff that you know i'll look up

1998
01:21:05,750 --> 01:21:04,480
eventually but i just wanted to get all

1999
01:21:08,870 --> 01:21:05,760
these

2000
01:21:09,910 --> 01:21:08,880
um and i only really saved the ones that

2001
01:21:12,470 --> 01:21:09,920
um

2002
01:21:14,149 --> 01:21:12,480
you know were something we're like

2003
01:21:16,070 --> 01:21:14,159
i really can't make out what this

2004
01:21:17,030 --> 01:21:16,080
picture is

2005
01:21:18,950 --> 01:21:17,040
you know

2006
01:21:21,430 --> 01:21:18,960
those i didn't

2007
01:21:23,189 --> 01:21:21,440
yeah this one's intense that's your you

2008
01:21:24,550 --> 01:21:23,199
know every you always hear that too a

2009
01:21:28,390 --> 01:21:24,560
football shape

2010
01:21:33,669 --> 01:21:30,950
well and the saucer is submerged in in

2011
01:21:35,590 --> 01:21:33,679
the cloud like that's like or it's

2012
01:21:41,189 --> 01:21:35,600
what looks to be that like that's that

2013
01:21:45,910 --> 01:21:44,070
yeah be crazy looking

2014
01:21:48,390 --> 01:21:45,920
oh that looks like it's from queens that

2015
01:21:49,910 --> 01:21:48,400
looked like it was from new york city

2016
01:21:52,390 --> 01:21:49,920
looks like

2017
01:21:53,189 --> 01:21:52,400
it's like one of the bridges

2018
01:21:56,550 --> 01:21:53,199
yeah

2019
01:22:00,709 --> 01:21:56,560
that's wild

2020
01:22:00,719 --> 01:22:03,430
also

2021
01:22:08,629 --> 01:22:05,669
um this one's pretty

2022
01:22:09,430 --> 01:22:08,639
it could be anything but

2023
01:22:11,590 --> 01:22:09,440
yeah

2024
01:22:12,870 --> 01:22:11,600
oh we got like oh wow

2025
01:22:14,470 --> 01:22:12,880
up

2026
01:22:15,910 --> 01:22:14,480
yeah it looks like it could be like a

2027
01:22:18,470 --> 01:22:15,920
triangle or something like that in the

2028
01:22:20,149 --> 01:22:18,480
top left or maybe those are different

2029
01:22:22,149 --> 01:22:20,159
different

2030
01:22:27,430 --> 01:22:22,159
yeah okay maybe that's just a cluster

2031
01:22:31,350 --> 01:22:29,830
these are beautiful

2032
01:22:32,950 --> 01:22:31,360
i can tell you had your snacks today

2033
01:22:34,390 --> 01:22:32,960
because we were scrolling through these

2034
01:22:36,550 --> 01:22:34,400
after bob left

2035
01:22:39,590 --> 01:22:36,560
now what is that no like where did that

2036
01:22:44,149 --> 01:22:41,910
somebody just like shuffled that in or

2037
01:22:45,350 --> 01:22:44,159
whatever it looks like but what is it

2038
01:22:47,189 --> 01:22:45,360
though like

2039
01:22:48,870 --> 01:22:47,199
is that

2040
01:22:50,709 --> 01:22:48,880
yeah it looks like it's just to be like

2041
01:22:52,950 --> 01:22:50,719
partially dematerialized or something

2042
01:22:54,149 --> 01:22:52,960
like that too

2043
01:22:56,950 --> 01:22:54,159
like that was just in the national

2044
01:23:01,110 --> 01:22:59,110
that was in there um this is actually

2045
01:23:03,669 --> 01:23:01,120
bronx new york

2046
01:23:05,110 --> 01:23:03,679
and uh like on their list of sightings

2047
01:23:07,110 --> 01:23:05,120
or whatever you know they have their all

2048
01:23:09,750 --> 01:23:07,120
sightings i went to that year

2049
01:23:12,390 --> 01:23:09,760
and to that date and it liz bronx new

2050
01:23:13,669 --> 01:23:12,400
york as an additional reported sighting

2051
01:23:15,669 --> 01:23:13,679
but they didn't

2052
01:23:18,310 --> 01:23:15,679
investigate it and there was no source

2053
01:23:20,390 --> 01:23:18,320
of where it came from

2054
01:23:22,470 --> 01:23:20,400
that's bizarre

2055
01:23:24,709 --> 01:23:22,480
like it just seems like somebody did

2056
01:23:26,550 --> 01:23:24,719
some kind of like photo job

2057
01:23:28,390 --> 01:23:26,560
but again you know

2058
01:23:29,830 --> 01:23:28,400
if it was real anybody believe it you

2059
01:23:31,510 --> 01:23:29,840
know

2060
01:23:32,950 --> 01:23:31,520
right and it's like it's one of those

2061
01:23:34,550 --> 01:23:32,960
things where it's like if you wouldn't

2062
01:23:35,990 --> 01:23:34,560
tell me that it's lebron i can't even

2063
01:23:37,270 --> 01:23:36,000
tell you where that dome is in the bronx

2064
01:23:39,110 --> 01:23:37,280
of course i don't go to the bronx every

2065
01:23:41,270 --> 01:23:39,120
day but like i would guess like oh

2066
01:23:42,629 --> 01:23:41,280
that's dc you know right but it's not

2067
01:23:45,590 --> 01:23:42,639
true right

2068
01:23:47,910 --> 01:23:45,600
yeah and it's just a weird thing to

2069
01:23:50,070 --> 01:23:47,920
for someone to design too like who would

2070
01:23:52,470 --> 01:23:50,080
have thought of like drawing something

2071
01:23:54,070 --> 01:23:52,480
like that or or whatever it doesn't look

2072
01:23:55,830 --> 01:23:54,080
like drawing either it looks like a

2073
01:23:59,750 --> 01:23:55,840
physical thing because it's

2074
01:24:01,590 --> 01:23:59,760
uh like two-dimensional at least right

2075
01:24:03,110 --> 01:24:01,600
i guess you could draw make it look away

2076
01:24:04,870 --> 01:24:03,120
but

2077
01:24:06,870 --> 01:24:04,880
interesting

2078
01:24:08,470 --> 01:24:06,880
yeah it reminds me of that story there's

2079
01:24:09,990 --> 01:24:08,480
a story about um

2080
01:24:11,270 --> 01:24:10,000
stuart likes to recount this about

2081
01:24:13,189 --> 01:24:11,280
stewart davis likes to recount this

2082
01:24:15,110 --> 01:24:13,199
about guillermo del toro the film

2083
01:24:17,110 --> 01:24:15,120
director you know he did like the shape

2084
01:24:19,030 --> 01:24:17,120
of water and all that other stuff and he

2085
01:24:22,070 --> 01:24:19,040
does a lot of supernatural movies some

2086
01:24:23,189 --> 01:24:22,080
sci-fi moves and uh and he saw like a

2087
01:24:24,629 --> 01:24:23,199
craft

2088
01:24:25,669 --> 01:24:24,639
yeah and

2089
01:24:28,149 --> 01:24:25,679
and

2090
01:24:29,110 --> 01:24:28,159
he um

2091
01:24:34,229 --> 01:24:29,120
he

2092
01:24:36,229 --> 01:24:34,239
are like well what did it look like and

2093
01:24:37,350 --> 01:24:36,239
he was like oh it was garish and it was

2094
01:24:39,590 --> 01:24:37,360
like what are you talking about he's

2095
01:24:41,189 --> 01:24:39,600
like he's like ah the aesthetics they

2096
01:24:44,149 --> 01:24:41,199
were terrible they were absolutely

2097
01:24:46,070 --> 01:24:44,159
terrible he's like it was ugly it's ugly

2098
01:24:48,470 --> 01:24:46,080
yeah it was the ugliest spaceship i ever

2099
01:24:50,629 --> 01:24:48,480
saw in my life totally first said about

2100
01:24:51,750 --> 01:24:50,639
his about his ufo i always thought that

2101
01:24:53,189 --> 01:24:51,760
was so funny

2102
01:24:56,950 --> 01:24:53,199
looks like they cocked their seams

2103
01:25:01,690 --> 01:25:00,310
come on guys put a little caulk in it

2104
01:25:04,790 --> 01:25:01,700
yeah right

2105
01:25:06,149 --> 01:25:04,800
[Laughter]

2106
01:25:07,990 --> 01:25:06,159
that's maybe that's the way you got to

2107
01:25:09,830 --> 01:25:08,000
do it if you're uh if you're floating up

2108
01:25:10,830 --> 01:25:09,840
from catalina island or whatever you

2109
01:25:12,550 --> 01:25:10,840
know look at

2110
01:25:15,110 --> 01:25:12,560
these

2111
01:25:18,629 --> 01:25:15,120
this is like a

2112
01:25:22,950 --> 01:25:21,430
beautiful stuff man

2113
01:25:24,870 --> 01:25:22,960
pretty interesting

2114
01:25:26,629 --> 01:25:24,880
this one's just

2115
01:25:27,990 --> 01:25:26,639
fence

2116
01:25:29,510 --> 01:25:28,000
i love that too

2117
01:25:30,870 --> 01:25:29,520
dude we've got a big thing coming up in

2118
01:25:33,270 --> 01:25:30,880
a couple days here

2119
01:25:37,430 --> 01:25:33,280
yeah hey it's contact week you got grant

2120
01:25:41,669 --> 01:25:39,510
how could you could you imagine to like

2121
01:25:43,910 --> 01:25:41,679
predicting that the week that the the

2122
01:25:47,110 --> 01:25:43,920
congress passed this this for this ufo

2123
01:25:49,910 --> 01:25:47,120
office that you'd have your nwap secrecy

2124
01:25:51,830 --> 01:25:49,920
event on friday that's like wild

2125
01:25:54,070 --> 01:25:51,840
wild timing i can hardly even believe

2126
01:25:55,590 --> 01:25:54,080
that that lined up so long yeah that's

2127
01:25:56,790 --> 01:25:55,600
true that's a good point that is weird

2128
01:25:59,189 --> 01:25:56,800
timing

2129
01:26:00,870 --> 01:25:59,199
um maybe it uh you know that's why it's

2130
01:26:02,470 --> 01:26:00,880
going to be a celebration

2131
01:26:04,390 --> 01:26:02,480
here's some pregnancy

2132
01:26:06,470 --> 01:26:04,400
and greg cameron i can't i can't wait to

2133
01:26:08,470 --> 01:26:06,480
talk to him we're going to um

2134
01:26:09,830 --> 01:26:08,480
talk about some contact and music i

2135
01:26:11,590 --> 01:26:09,840
don't know what to make of this one is

2136
01:26:14,229 --> 01:26:11,600
that like an alien head

2137
01:26:16,629 --> 01:26:14,239
or what is that supposed to be i don't

2138
01:26:17,990 --> 01:26:16,639
know what that yeah it's it's weird

2139
01:26:20,790 --> 01:26:18,000
right like

2140
01:26:22,149 --> 01:26:20,800
it almost more looks like

2141
01:26:24,550 --> 01:26:22,159
yeah i don't i hardly even want to

2142
01:26:27,430 --> 01:26:24,560
speculate that's wild looking

2143
01:26:29,270 --> 01:26:27,440
this is crazy beam coming down

2144
01:26:31,030 --> 01:26:29,280
uh the hell roar i'm not sure what that

2145
01:26:32,870 --> 01:26:31,040
is i think that might be like a missile

2146
01:26:37,910 --> 01:26:32,880
or something

2147
01:26:44,310 --> 01:26:39,270
that's another that's another one of

2148
01:26:51,669 --> 01:26:47,030
it's got you know what i mean like

2149
01:26:56,229 --> 01:26:53,750
it's not like a

2150
01:26:58,149 --> 01:26:56,239
normal like meat platter

2151
01:26:59,750 --> 01:26:58,159
or something you know

2152
01:27:01,910 --> 01:26:59,760
that's that's like

2153
01:27:06,590 --> 01:27:01,920
that's designed

2154
01:27:11,110 --> 01:27:08,950
[Laughter]

2155
01:27:12,950 --> 01:27:11,120
this is only interesting because i found

2156
01:27:15,910 --> 01:27:12,960
that the same thing on something i

2157
01:27:17,750 --> 01:27:15,920
shared on my twitter about

2158
01:27:20,709 --> 01:27:17,760
jimmy carter

2159
01:27:22,310 --> 01:27:20,719
in the ufo after his helicopter

2160
01:27:23,990 --> 01:27:22,320
and it looked like this i was like that

2161
01:27:26,629 --> 01:27:24,000
can't be anything and then here in these

2162
01:27:28,709 --> 01:27:26,639
files are these things sound like

2163
01:27:30,550 --> 01:27:28,719
interesting

2164
01:27:33,430 --> 01:27:30,560
that's a bizarre look too it looks like

2165
01:27:36,070 --> 01:27:33,440
paper clips it's like that weird black

2166
01:27:38,149 --> 01:27:36,080
out you're offended

2167
01:27:39,910 --> 01:27:38,159
you're offending so many non-human

2168
01:27:41,350 --> 01:27:39,920
entities right now

2169
01:27:43,030 --> 01:27:41,360
i know they're like

2170
01:27:46,149 --> 01:27:43,040
they're just like crumpling up their

2171
01:27:48,229 --> 01:27:46,159
designs they're not tossing them inside

2172
01:27:51,910 --> 01:27:48,239
well fine you don't get to see my next

2173
01:27:56,550 --> 01:27:54,470
this is interesting see that uh that big

2174
01:27:59,110 --> 01:27:56,560
light field around it and then it must

2175
01:28:01,189 --> 01:27:59,120
have went away

2176
01:28:03,350 --> 01:28:01,199
yeah that's interesting

2177
01:28:05,110 --> 01:28:03,360
it looks like another case of like

2178
01:28:07,910 --> 01:28:05,120
maybe like

2179
01:28:11,030 --> 01:28:07,920
being either immersed in a cloud for

2180
01:28:12,870 --> 01:28:11,040
no causal reason or like trying to kind

2181
01:28:15,669 --> 01:28:12,880
of obscure oneself in the cloud i'm not

2182
01:28:18,070 --> 01:28:15,679
sure wow

2183
01:28:19,430 --> 01:28:18,080
oh here's one from a scope

2184
01:28:21,350 --> 01:28:19,440
i can't really see what he's looking at

2185
01:28:24,870 --> 01:28:21,360
but he's looking at something

2186
01:28:26,629 --> 01:28:24,880
he looks looking at something yeah

2187
01:28:28,390 --> 01:28:26,639
he's a beautiful man

2188
01:28:32,070 --> 01:28:28,400
this one's pretty cool too

2189
01:28:34,229 --> 01:28:32,080
see this one reminds me of that video

2190
01:28:37,110 --> 01:28:34,239
what where it's like somebody took it

2191
01:28:38,149 --> 01:28:37,120
from a commercial airliner

2192
01:28:39,910 --> 01:28:38,159
i believe

2193
01:28:42,550 --> 01:28:39,920
and they it's like a

2194
01:28:45,189 --> 01:28:42,560
go-to for people

2195
01:28:46,629 --> 01:28:45,199
uh that like tucker cross or whatever

2196
01:28:48,310 --> 01:28:46,639
they always use

2197
01:28:50,870 --> 01:28:48,320
the same videos that's one of them

2198
01:28:52,550 --> 01:28:50,880
except it's like white

2199
01:28:54,390 --> 01:28:52,560
if you see it again it'll make sense it

2200
01:28:57,590 --> 01:28:54,400
looks like that to me

2201
01:28:58,709 --> 01:28:57,600
oh yeah it's interesting that bob said

2202
01:29:00,870 --> 01:28:58,719
yeah

2203
01:29:04,709 --> 01:29:00,880
to these eh

2204
01:29:06,550 --> 01:29:04,719
yeah like that yeah sasquatch right

2205
01:29:08,550 --> 01:29:06,560
i mean it points to again that kind of

2206
01:29:10,149 --> 01:29:08,560
interdimensional like skin walker ranch

2207
01:29:11,510 --> 01:29:10,159
thing he's talking about shadow people

2208
01:29:13,830 --> 01:29:11,520
he's talking about

2209
01:29:15,830 --> 01:29:13,840
something with a seven foot gate that

2210
01:29:18,709 --> 01:29:15,840
that all sounds pretty familiar to the

2211
01:29:22,709 --> 01:29:18,719
uintah basin region i think there's your

2212
01:29:24,629 --> 01:29:22,719
egg shapes tic tacs over the water

2213
01:29:29,510 --> 01:29:24,639
yeah

2214
01:29:32,310 --> 01:29:29,520
you're doing this partially just because

2215
01:29:35,110 --> 01:29:32,320
again like the egg shape tic tacs cigar

2216
01:29:37,189 --> 01:29:35,120
shapes you know marrying the history and

2217
01:29:39,750 --> 01:29:37,199
yeah and just kind of consistently

2218
01:29:41,189 --> 01:29:39,760
underlining the part where you know 2004

2219
01:29:42,229 --> 01:29:41,199
wasn't the beginning it's always

2220
01:29:44,550 --> 01:29:42,239
important

2221
01:29:45,990 --> 01:29:44,560
still my favorite though

2222
01:29:48,470 --> 01:29:46,000
oh i love that

2223
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:48,480
all right that's yeah that's uh all of

2224
01:29:51,030 --> 01:29:49,850
them that i um

2225
01:29:52,709 --> 01:29:51,040
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2226
01:29:55,830 --> 01:29:52,719
cropped up

2227
01:29:57,510 --> 01:29:55,840
and head ready so gorgeous so gorgeous

2228
01:29:59,030 --> 01:29:57,520
yeah dude i was doing that all morning

2229
01:30:00,390 --> 01:29:59,040
so that that

2230
01:30:03,030 --> 01:30:00,400
took a while but i was like i can't

2231
01:30:05,030 --> 01:30:03,040
believe there's photos there's so many

2232
01:30:08,149 --> 01:30:05,040
of them wow cool

2233
01:30:10,790 --> 01:30:08,159
and they're so um

2234
01:30:13,590 --> 01:30:10,800
tasteful because it's film in black and

2235
01:30:15,110 --> 01:30:13,600
white or whatever you know oh absolutely

2236
01:30:16,950 --> 01:30:15,120
yeah i think there's going to be some

2237
01:30:18,310 --> 01:30:16,960
screen grabbing and

2238
01:30:19,830 --> 01:30:18,320
banner shifting that's going to be

2239
01:30:22,550 --> 01:30:19,840
happening over the course of the day in

2240
01:30:29,110 --> 01:30:24,310
shifting

2241
01:30:33,510 --> 01:30:31,590
that's the look man that's the look

2242
01:30:35,510 --> 01:30:33,520
uh it's great to see you man today this

2243
01:30:37,910 --> 01:30:35,520
has been absolutely wonderful i had a

2244
01:30:39,430 --> 01:30:37,920
great time and and friday we're gonna

2245
01:30:42,070 --> 01:30:39,440
it's that's gonna be a total

2246
01:30:43,110 --> 01:30:42,080
extravaganza if you can't wait man yeah

2247
01:30:45,110 --> 01:30:43,120
and

2248
01:30:46,470 --> 01:30:45,120
i'll make sure to have this for that for

2249
01:30:48,550 --> 01:30:46,480
sure

2250
01:30:49,830 --> 01:30:48,560
yes absolutely too we're gonna have a

2251
01:30:51,750 --> 01:30:49,840
great time

2252
01:30:52,950 --> 01:30:51,760
i know we're gonna we're gonna have

2253
01:30:54,149 --> 01:30:52,960
we're gonna have priscilla there we're

2254
01:30:55,430 --> 01:30:54,159
gonna have vinnie there we're gonna have

2255
01:30:56,629 --> 01:30:55,440
benji there we're gonna have plenty of

2256
01:30:58,950 --> 01:30:56,639
coats and we're gonna have plenty of

2257
01:31:02,470 --> 01:30:58,960
great guts it's gonna be absolutely yeah

2258
01:31:04,310 --> 01:31:02,480
bonkers maybe i'll even drink who knows

2259
01:31:06,470 --> 01:31:04,320
maybe i'll bring a six-pack for like

2260
01:31:08,790 --> 01:31:06,480
halfway through or something who knows

2261
01:31:10,790 --> 01:31:08,800
oh my gosh oh my gosh

2262
01:31:12,550 --> 01:31:10,800
i haven't drank uh

2263
01:31:14,229 --> 01:31:12,560
i used to like beat a musician i

2264
01:31:15,510 --> 01:31:14,239
couldn't even really play a show without

2265
01:31:17,030 --> 01:31:15,520
a couple beers

2266
01:31:18,709 --> 01:31:17,040
but i haven't you know what you mean

2267
01:31:21,430 --> 01:31:18,719
like since coped and stuff i haven't

2268
01:31:22,310 --> 01:31:21,440
drank or anything so

2269
01:31:24,229 --> 01:31:22,320
really

2270
01:31:27,030 --> 01:31:24,239
it'd probably just take me like a beer

2271
01:31:30,629 --> 01:31:27,040
or so and i'd be like

2272
01:31:32,550 --> 01:31:30,639
you take over jake

2273
01:31:33,910 --> 01:31:32,560
all right

2274
01:31:35,510 --> 01:31:33,920
you're just gonna you know you're just

2275
01:31:38,629 --> 01:31:35,520
gonna end up making ralph blumenthal

2276
01:31:39,669 --> 01:31:38,639
nervous and and jealous at the same time

2277
01:31:42,149 --> 01:31:39,679
yeah

2278
01:31:43,590 --> 01:31:42,159
let me tell you so you're such a good

2279
01:31:45,030 --> 01:31:43,600
writer

2280
01:31:46,470 --> 01:31:45,040
i love you man

2281
01:31:47,830 --> 01:31:46,480
yeah if i was there i'd give you a big

2282
01:31:52,229 --> 01:31:47,840
hug

2283
01:31:55,430 --> 01:31:54,149
peace out sir it seems like you'd be

2284
01:31:57,350 --> 01:31:55,440
happy yeah

2285
01:31:59,189 --> 01:31:57,360
have have a wonderful evening and i look

2286
01:32:00,790 --> 01:31:59,199
forward to seeing you very soon and

2287
01:32:02,870 --> 01:32:00,800
thanks to everybody out there in the

2288
01:32:04,870 --> 01:32:02,880
youtube audience uh today and those of

2289
01:32:05,910 --> 01:32:04,880
you that are witnessing us from the

2290
01:32:08,149 --> 01:32:05,920
future

2291
01:32:09,110 --> 01:32:08,159
uh for hanging out with us today it's

2292
01:32:13,189 --> 01:32:09,120
awesome

2293
01:32:13,199 --> 01:32:17,350
welcome to witness citizens

2294
01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:38,629
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2295
01:32:38,639 --> 01:32:41,720
citizens

2296
01:33:00,820 --> 01:32:58,470
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